Ella Horne

If I haven't read that book or if I haven't read that author, then I feel like I can't quite access it.

And I think for this, this just feels like every episode will be six books that are absolutely worth the hype in our opinion.

And that feels quite refreshing in a world that is pretty negative.

And I'd love to hear from listeners as well on their books on that theme.

So it doesn't just feel like it's kind of limiting.

And also, crucially, you're a boy and I'm a girl.

That's rare in podcasts.

Spoiler.

We are friends.

We met at uni and we were both working in the student bar.

Do you remember when we met?

And I'd say we were, like, collectively as a student bar, like, terrible at making coffee.

Oh, thank you so much.

My first memory of you is when I came into the bar and you had been practising your signature in permanent marker on the whiteboard.

And you just said Jake Williams.

We couldn't get it off.

It was a slow shift, wasn't it?

So now we're moving into this new phase, podcast phase of our friendship.

Every friendship should have one.

What is it about the podcast that excites you?