Elle Bee

He says, Sean and Leslie.

You know?

Now, if you ask Paris, she'll say Sean and Leslie, but then she automatically brings up her dad, too, because she had more memory of her dad.

So their dad didn't start getting Caden until he was two years old.

Yeah, that he didn't start getting him until... So their dad dealt with addiction and like a lot of... My story is so close to Macy, Ryan, Chelsea, and Adam.

Like Ryan is like Michael, like come from a very well-off family, which Macy did too and I didn't, but...

And so did Chelsea, but I didn't.

But just like the way that.

So like Paris went to her grandparents' house.

And then when they started getting Caden, it was the grandparents' house.

Michael didn't start getting the kids and taking them to his house until they were much older and he'd already gotten married.

Oh, wow.

Yeah, he didn't.

He would go to his parents' house to see them.

you know and okay so they were they're very close which their grandfather passed away from covid in 2021 yeah and that was devastating for them yeah but yeah so caden like he's like sean is my dad like yeah it's just you know he does not look at him as like a stepdad he has more of a bond with my husband than he was itty bitty right yeah i mean he didn't even know michael was his dad

Well, that's why I asked if you called him dad, because it wasn't a thing where we told Caden to call him dad.

He was six months, and Caden's starting to talk, and for me, it's mom, and for him, it's dad.

So he just did it.

So yeah, I mean, Sean pointed out the trauma, and I was like, wow, you're right.

But because...