Ellie Roscher

Right.

Like the Jesus that is kind of questioning the empire.

Oh.

And the kids just loved that because they were naturally kind of anti institution at that moment.

We looked at the Catholic teaching on heterosexuality, homosexuality and dug in and was like, OK, so.

If this doesn't sit right for you, here's your entry point and here's how you engage with it.

And they just.

Can we go down that road just a little bit?

Of course.

Of course.

I love this.

Tell me how what is that conversation like?

So we talked a lot about dual anthropology and gender essentialism, where this idea that men and women are inherently different.

That difference has everything to do with their external genitalia.

That because a man has external genitalia, God created him to have this external public life.

And because women were created by God with internal sex organs, they were they were supposed to.

have this internal life.

There are a lot of old, dead male theologians who published about the fact that men were inherently created to rule over women.

This idea that a male body is superior and a female body is deformed.

It's inferior.