Elliot Williams

If you look at black and brown progressives in New York who went to Trump, New York and New Jersey, my home state, were to go to Trump.

that's thin support.

It's not, you know, they, they've not created, and that's not a knock on the president, but they just haven't created a generation of black conservatives in New York city.

It was an economic popular.

No, I'm just like, come on, man.

It's an economic populist message to people that felt in pain and suffering felt that, uh,

the parties and the democratic party was not looking out for them and didn't care about them didn't care about their public safety didn't care about their economic needs didn't didn't listen to them even about immigration at times and turned to what felt like an attractive option that was a somewhat thin

Maybe, you know what I mean when I say thin, it was just, it's not dyed in the wool, deeply held beliefs.

And those folks for the Democratic Party, I do believe are gettable, certainly in 2020.

And as you're looking, you know, you saw governor's races in Virginia and New Jersey.

And I just, some of that, this idea that this wave of new support for MAGA or conservatives or Republicans among dyed in the wool Democrats, I just, I don't know if I, if I see that.

Yeah.

I'm totally with you on that.

Yeah, I really wanted to ask you that along the lines of people are disillusioned with mainstream media.

We can agree with that full stop.

But what happens when, and I'm really curious to hear your views.

I know you talk about this a lot on the air.

Is there a point at which media can get so factionalized that people are calcifying in their views and not broadening their views and actually maybe even worse off?

What's the balance there?

And I would also say, and this has been something that journalists, myself included, confront, and I try to be honest about, not all criticism of the president is partisan.