Ex-ICE Insider Exposes Cruel Practices, It's Even Worse Than You Imagined
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What insights does Elliot Williams provide about Trump's America?
Today, I'm joined by CNN analyst and author of the new book, Five Bullets, Elliott Williams. Elliott, how are you doing today in 2.0 Trump's America?
It's a crazy, crazy time. Last night was on television about the firing of, or the Supreme Court hearing around Lisa Cook, the Federal Reserve Board Commissioner. Today, I was just on, that's why for, as viewers may not know this, but I literally was a couple minutes late to meet with you because I was just on television talking about this Jack Smith hearing in Congress. This is whiplash in a whirlwind time, certainly in legal news, my world, and it's just can't keep up.
Okay, let's start with, I noticed that Brett Kavanaugh was the most outspoken about the Lisa Cook thing. And I'm wondering if some of this is a reaction to how badly he has been branded in public for what they're calling the Kavanaugh stop. And I read that this branding was really like, it really personally bothered him. And the Kavanaugh stop, of course, is that an ICE agent because of the way you look, and those of you that are listening, Elliot has a little more melanin in his skin than I do, that they could legally stop him. And so what is your take on Brett Kavanaugh?
How does the Supreme Court's political shift affect justice?
Oh, my goodness. He is the great story to come out of the Supreme Court over this generation because we live in a world where Brett Kavanaugh is regarded as a moderate voice on the Supreme Court. No, it is. That's how the court has shifted so much, certainly in my lifetime of following the court. And there are circumstances where Kavanaugh does buck the party line somewhat. Now, let's be clear. It is an unabashedly conservative Supreme Court and Brett Kavanaugh for his entire career has been uh you know an unabashed conservative and so this it is quite fascinating to watch the middle what we think of as the middle on the supreme court just just shift before our eyes now with respect to this idea of stops of citizens and and so on that's quite profound now obviously we know and going back to the history of law enforcement law enforcement does have really broad authority to stop people uh for for a host of reasons but
ISIS lost the thread here. And in the huge incentives that they've been given to carry out their immigration enforcement mission, my gosh, look at what's happening around the country.
Okay, you served inside the Justice Department. And you're sitting here watching it get completely dismantled. And you're watching really smart, competent people that believe in justice that did not join the Justice Department to become rich, because they could have, these people are so smart, they could have gone to work for a top tier law firm in Manhattan, Los Angeles, London, wherever. But they believe so much in the rule of law, and these people are gone. from the Justice Department. They're going one by one. And so how vulnerable is the entire Justice Department from complete collapse as it pertains to the real rule of law?
It breaks my heart to say it, Jennifer, but I don't know. I really don't know. And it's because what people don't understand, and I not only worked at the Justice Department, I worked at ICE for four and a half years. Really? Yeah, I was a senior political appointee at ICE under Obama, which talk about a volatile time. What people don't understand is that most of these, maybe not most of these folks, but a great percentage of these folks are actually political conservatives. This idea that it's this left wing, deep state behemoth out to take over America and ruin its values is simply not true. These are people who, particularly in the national security context, transcend or traverse Republican and Democratic administrations.
And that's a good thing. And I'll be the first to tell you, having worked in all these agencies, that fine, policy's gonna shift from one president to another. Things were different under Bush than Obama, than Bush 41, than Clinton. And in a way that's good for America. It keeps us sort of thinking about what's truly important to us, evolving, working together and so on.
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Chapters
5 chapters
1
What insights does Elliot Williams provide about Trump's America?
0:04–1:29
2
How does the Supreme Court's political shift affect justice?
1:29–14:45
3
What issues arise from the current immigration enforcement practices?
14:45–18:44
4
How is the Justice Department impacted by political changes?
18:44–22:27
5
What are the implications of ICE's practices on communities?
22:27–47:45
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