Elliott Williams

No, no, no, no, no.

I mean, now, certainly the qualifications for immigration officers were in some ways lower than the qualifications for customs officers, the other side of the ice house, which I'll be perfectly candid.

For the time I was there and just since the founding of the agency, the customs folks don't want to be a part of this agency, or at least for some time didn't, because they never wanted to be smushed with this immigration work that they regard as really radioactive.

And in fact, a few years ago in 2018, the customs side of the house, many of the leaders wrote a letter to the secretary asking to be broken off into a separate agency.

They just think the immigration stuff is so toxic and so radioactive and bad for them as law enforcement officers.

Now, the folks who, when I say they were lower standards, they didn't have the same educational standards as customs officers and were officers, not agents, and it gets a little bit complicated.

Now, when...

This administration has tried to surge hiring.

They've certainly had to bend the standards even for the deportation officers and raising age limits and so on.

And I think it comes at a profound cost.

It really does.

This work is difficult.

You want people to be in shape for it at a minimum.

And I just think you're just not finding that.

Define these jobs.

When you say these jobs, what do you mean?

Yeah, that's an interesting question.

And I think an interesting segment of the Don Lemon Show would be to talk to an actual deportation officer.

You know, I think, you know, look, let's put it this way.

I worked for years with Tom Homan, who's now the White House border czar.