Elliott Williams

And, you know, a lot of law enforcement folks just see themselves as standing, holding the line between

freedom and tyranny, right?

That's their ethos and worldview.

And you might be seeing some of that.

I think a lot of folks in law enforcement come from the military.

And in the military, the thing that is paramount is following orders.

And the order that has come quite clearly from the top, if not the president and certainly the folks around him, is this is what your job is.

And I think it has led to some of the abuses, the kinds of things that you're talking about and seeing the

But at its core, and I want to be clear, Don, at its core, law enforcement is a good thing at its core.

You know, no nation in the world exists without some sort of immigration or border enforcement apparatus.

The way we've done it here in this country has completely run amok.

And you're seeing now in these images what the dark side of that is.

And

More than anything else, I'll get back to the point I made.

Congress let this happen.

They didn't, you know, the laws have been vague, they need to be updated, and they haven't held this administration accountable in the way that just you have one fucking job, do your job.

Yeah.

Nothing is more of a Rorschach test than law enforcement, but also vigilantes and what we as a country think about people who step outside the law because they feel that law enforcement isn't doing its job.

And there's a long tradition.

In the book, Five Bullets, I talk about not just Bernie Goetz, but Daniel Penny, who was the ex-Marine college student who choked Jordan Neely, the Michael Jackson person who died.