Ellis Jones

There's one that's like a survival school.

That was... So it started... I'll give you a brief history.

There was a...

a drug program in Malibu in the sixties called Synanon.

Okay.

And they took, um, some, a little bit of stuff from like Chinese internment camps and then seriously, and literally logs, right.

He's in tournament camp and then rehab and then like, and then a, right.

But it's just like, it's this like shaming the addict kind of thing.

And then using the other addicts in there as like enforcers of the Synanon program, shave their head, take their identity away.

Colt, right.

Yeah.

Therapy Colt.

And then there was another offshoot of that called The Seed, which was here in Florida.

That was in the 70s, so like 60s, 70s.

And then in the 80s, this Mormon guy from Utah saw the opportunity, like a business opportunity to do it.

And he started those survival camps where they take kids out in the desert of Utah, and that's just where you live.

You've got to just do your camping for who knows how long.

He gets some heat in the 80s and 90s for doing that, all the abuse and everything.

And he realizes that he can go to different countries and they have much more laxed child abuse laws.

Right.