Elsa Chang

And so I felt that in this book, you do take great pains to paint yourself in some aspects as an outsider, but you do also acknowledge that you've been on the inside as well, right?

Like you have had...

these family connections to the Gettys, family connections to the Pelosi's.

And frankly, by this time, Governor, you've been famous for half of your life.

So I guess my question, my basic question for you, is why should ordinary Americans feel that they can relate to you?

You've not only written this book, you have launched a podcast about a year ago.

Yes.

A podcast called This is Gavin Newsom.

And you've made a real effort to bring in conservative guests on this podcast, like the late Charlie Kirk, like Steve Bannon, Ben Shapiro.

Why has that been important to you, to bring conservative voices on this podcast?

You have to get along, you mean, as a country.

But what do you make of the criticism that bringing guests like that onto your podcast is just pandering to the right?

Yeah.

OK, I want to understand who you are politically, because I'm trying to understand your overall strategy here.

On one hand, you are bringing people like the late Charlie Kirk, like Steve Bannon onto your podcast.

On the other hand, you're trolling President Trump.

Yeah.

On X, you mock his riding style.

You mock his body.

You are selling mega-branded knee pads.