Elsa Chang

We shouldn't be body shaming.

These mega-branded knee pads, they're for all your groveling to Trump needs?

Okay.

How do you square those...

playground insults with the listening sessions that you're having with these conservatives on the podcast.

But what if you're confusing people as to what you sincerely believe?

Like, why not present just one Gavin Newsom, one consistent tone across all platforms?

What's the consistent tone?

But you don't think you're talking down to President Trump on your execute?

Well, I'm just going to ask you, are you going to run for president or not in 2028?

What makes you back away from the thought?

It's about, hey, I'm still that kid in the back of the room.

So whatever you're doing right now, something seems to be working, at least right now.

What do you think that might be?

California Governor Gavin Newsom, thank you very much for your time.

It's great to be with you.

This episode was produced by Janaki Mehta and Connor Donovan.

It was edited by Christopher Intagliata.

Our executive producer is Sammy Yenigan.

It's Consider This from NPR.