Emily Bazelon

Well, that only makes sense if you think the Constitution establishes the president and his judgment is basically the only power.

Right.

This unitary executive theory that some conservatives have really pushed to the limits during the Trump administration.

I mean, Binya, is this a useful way to think about this?

And I'm really just thinking out loud here.

But, you know, one way to think about Trump's tariff policy is that it's a bad answer to a real insight, which is that, you know, globalization and the kind of free trade of the Clinton all the way to the Obama eras left out lots of Americans.

Right.

Especially in the parts of the country that previously had a lot of factory industrial jobs, the kind of jobs that, you

pay well, even though you haven't graduated from college, that there is a kind of backbone there that got really hollowed out by trade agreements and all those kinds of jobs moving offshore.

And Democrats, as well as Republicans, have really struggled to

deal with the flaws and weaknesses of that kind of globalization.

And nobody still really knows what to do about it.

And now we have the kind of potential for this like huge AI disruption to the white collar economy potentially coming down the pike when we haven't even solved the blue collar problem yet.

Does that resonate with you?

I mean, project ahead a year, we will be staring down the next State of the Union.

I just wonder if this whole conversation is going to have become so much more prominent than it is now, right?

I mean, it just feels to me like this huge gathering storm that we haven't really...

seriously started to grapple with.

And I think a lot of it goes back to what you were saying, Binya, about change, that the rate of change is itself so unpredictable, right?

I mean, some AI creators are talking about incredibly rapid change, like practically immediate or almost immediate, and others think it's much more long term.