Trump's Tariffs Won't Save Workers from A.I.
episodePreviously titled “After a Big Loss, What to Expect From Trump at the State of the Union” — renamed by the publisher on Aug 5, 2026
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I'm Steve Stromberg, an editor in New York Times Opinion. With me today are two opinion writers, Benjamin Applebaum and Emily Bazelon. Thanks for being here.
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Glad to be here.
We're here to talk about the Supreme Court's decision striking down many of President Trump's tariffs and what it means for the Trump administration and the American economy going forward. This is all coming to a head as the president prepares for Tuesday's State of the Union address with Justice John Roberts likely in the audience. And I should note, we're recording on Monday morning. I want to begin with a top line reaction to the Supreme Court's decision from each of you. Emily, as a writer who teaches at Yale Law School and regularly covers the court, you're one of the most qualified people on the planet to be commenting on this right now. Why don't you start? What's your top line?
Yeah, I mean this is an important decision. First of all, it's an important decision because President Trump made it a really big deal. He cares enormously about tariffs. We all have gotten that message. And so for the court to say no to him and to turn him back is a serious exercise of its power. And I think there's another couple reasons why this decision matters a lot. One is just the sort of basics of what the court is doing here. Just as a matter of like basic statutory interpretation, which is a lot of what courts do, I think the majority's rejection of the Trump administration's reading of the statute is pretty clearly the better reading. At the same time, there is an argument on the other side.
I mean, Justice Kavanaugh's dissent scores some points. And so because there is some law on both sides, the fact that This six to three majority, which includes three conservatives, is rejecting President Trump's reading becomes sort of even more important, like they could have gone in a different direction and they didn't. And then I think the third thing that's important here is that this ruling is consistent with the court's approach to some emergency powers that President Biden tried to use. So the court rejected Biden's efforts to use broad emergency statutes for certain COVID restrictions and also to forgive student loans. And so to see the court here resolve a case similarly against a different president is
matters in terms of, I think, the country's perception of whether the court is being fair. If you're just looking at the words of the statutes, you could decide to come out differently. But the overarching message here, I think, is really important for the accusation that the Supreme Court has just like turned into a bunch of hacks who do whatever Trump wants. This seems like a pretty clear response to that, not a direct response, but the court making clear that it does not necessarily just knuckle under when Trump expects it to.
Vinya, I want to get to you. What's your top line out of the ruling last week?
Well, I think economically, this ruling is probably less important than the attention it's getting. On the whole, the general orientation of American trade policy has not changed as a result of this ruling. President Trump retains significant and, for the most part, less vulnerable powers to impose tariffs. He clearly intends to continue to do so. And so economically, I'd say, for the most part, it's the same story that it was the day before the ruling.
At the same time, you have the European Union potentially suspending ratification of a trade deal that it struck with the United States in the wake of this ruling.
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Chapters
5 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:01–5:14
2
What was the Supreme Court's decision on Trump's tariffs?
5:14–6:51
3
How does the ruling affect Trump's trade policy moving forward?
6:51–20:22
4
What are the implications of the ruling for American workers?
20:22–24:39
5
How does the ruling impact Trump's approach to trade deals?
24:39–32:53