Emily Kwong (host, with guest Nell Greenfield‑Boyce also speaking within these segments)

Yeah.

I mean, you can still see through it.

Right.

But I mean, to the birds, they see that and they're like, oh, I can't fly through there.

That's a no go zone.

Nice.

There was another thing that happened after that event there in Chicago.

OK, so after that mass bird death, the U.S.

Fish and Wildlife Service actually decided to host this big summit.

So they invited all these people like bird groups and architecture firms and dark sky groups and university researchers.

Tina Phillips told me they'd all been working on this problem, but like separately.

And so coming out of that meeting, we knew we needed to keep working together to really try to make this impact meaningful.

So they formed this new group called the Bird Collision Prevention Alliance.

And so it's now got this website and over 100 members, all kinds of organizations.

They're meeting frequently and they're putting together like these toolkits for different scenarios.

Like say you're a cruise ship.

What can you do to minimize birds being drawn to the illuminated ship out at sea and hitting the windows?

I've never thought about that.

That makes so much sense that cruise ships could be a part of the problem.

What are the goals of this group overall?