Emily Kwong (host, with guest Nell Greenfield‑Boyce also speaking within these segments)

Is it to create some kind of bird protection law or policy?

Well, I mean, they told me they're not really a politics group.

I mean, some of their members are federal agencies like the U.S.

Geological Survey.

Brian Lenz says it's not about pushing policy at the national level.

He told me that most building codes are actually local.

So anything that's a solution is probably going to mostly be at the local level.

So are there places that have adopted new building codes locally?

Yeah.

I mean, D.C.

is one of them.

So it passed this law recently saying you have to have bird friendly construction for like the bottom hundred feet of buildings like office complexes or apartments.

Nice.

And there's similar laws in New York City and San Francisco.

People are trying to get similar legislation passed in Chicago.

Oh, yeah.

No, this is so hopeful.

I mean, this has been a Kwong family problem since the 90s for our house, but cool that it's, I don't know, starting to catch on in different cities.

And even without building codes, you said that people have been able to put pressure on certain buildings, particularly problematic places.

Yeah, like that convention center in Chicago made changes.