Emily Kwong

Interesting.

What does he think would make this fair?

Nice.

But if you are consuming electricity, like you're a customer, a big data center, you have to pay for the power lines.

You don't have to pay for that upgrade.

Instead, everybody gets a rate increase tacked onto their bill to build those power lines.

What are the chances, Dan, that this will actually happen?

Dan Charles, thank you so much for coming on to share what's going on with data centers and people's electric bills.

And short wavers, if you want to dig into the environmental impact of data centers, we have a two-part series for you that I reported earlier this year.

Visit our show notes to listen to it.

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It was edited by Rebecca Ramirez.

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I'm Emily Kwong.

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