Emily Vernem

But one of the things that's so beautiful and vulnerable about what she's sharing there is she's admitting that

her and her sister couldn't just drop everything and be there for her mom in her last months, which is very relatable.

And also it doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter how hard any of us fight aging on the outside, but like time is moving and these things are going to happen.

And if there's one thing incredibly certain about aging is you'll experience more loss.

So I just think it's amazing she's talking about this.

But she went on to talk about

what death doulas do and why she thinks she'd be a good one.

Do you guys know what a death doula does?

It looks a lot of different ways.

Like Palliative Care Australia will give, like there's lots of practical advice for when you get to that point.

But I interviewed this amazing woman who wasn't a death doula.

She called herself a death walker, Jackie Bailey, on Mid in the very first season of that.

And it's one of the most popular episodes we did, which is strange in a way.

But she was one of the people who talked to me about what Nicole Kidman was talking about there, right?

I think it was so honest of Kidman to say,

We knew our mum's end of life was coming because death can, of course, be horribly sudden and come from nowhere and be shocking for a lot of people, that kind of loss.

But it can also, to be honest, take quite a long time when you know that a loved one is going to pass, but you don't know when.

And there's a lot to be done during that.

And Jackie Bailey made the point in that interview that I thought was so great that