Emma Grede

one of the best, like if not the best, it's just like you have such a, you know, if I was coming in and working with you, like you have such clarity of what you stand for, who you guys are, what you would choose, what your intent, like you're so intentional about everything.

So it's amazing to think that you weren't like thinking about crafting that a lot more.

Not that, I mean, I've come to you with many, many things trying to put you guys in a deal together back in my old like brand broker days.

But of course, you turn absolutely everything down.

That's so interesting.

I'd never really thought of it in that way.

Well, we have very different interests.

So let's talk about, because you do have this unbelievably beautiful family.

And I always think about raising kids and I'm doing it in a very different, you guys have such a spotlight on you and so much attention.

But when you raise children who have a very different upbringing to you, I wonder how you guys have thought about that.

Because even as you say, like encouraging Cruz to like, you know, double down and get really good at his craft.

Like what have you taught your children?

considering that, you know, you've got these unbelievable careers and now you've got these four kids who seemingly, you know, it's like they're yours and you're like, you know, in this world and they've got all the kind of choice and opportunity.

What does that even look like in your family?

I wonder how the scrutiny that you constantly face has shaped the type of mother that you are.

Do you think that responsibility to live up to everything that you just said is a lot of pressure for your children?

Victoria, everyone has their own opinion of you and your family, but what has it actually been like raising a family in this level of public scrutiny and attention?

Okay, but Emma, why was that?

Well, because of the one photo that we got served up of you.

We never saw you sitting there having a laugh like that.