Emma Grede

Yeah.

It has to change.

I couldn't agree with you more.

I love that you say whatever ambition means to you.

The reason I called my book Start With Yourself was for exactly that reason, because you have to start with your ambition, your vision, how you want to live, what type of woman you want to

And that's very different for different people.

But I do think that we're still in a place and a space for so many women where there are a series of thoughts or ideas that exist in the culture that do hold women back, that do make women have to keep themselves small.

And even holding yourself back, right?

And that's part of it.

And I really want to talk more openly about that because I do think that, you know, sometimes maybe the reluctance to talk about money or the reluctance to come across as too ambitious or the reluctance to, you know, maybe exhibit some type of behavior that's not deemed so eloquent and elegant can be holding women back somewhat.

What advice would you give to a woman who's been labeled as too ambitious?

No, there really weren't, which is one of the main reasons I love to do this show, because I think the more we see examples like you in the culture, the more we can understand it and we can see ourselves in it and we can envisage it, but not if we don't have the conversation.

I'm interested how motherhood shaped your approach to business and to leadership.

I understand that there were probably trade-offs that you had to make, but what did that really look like in practice?

But what does that look like to you, Tori?

Because I feel like even that in of itself, like what it means to be a good mom, it's different for everybody.

What was it for you?

What did you need to do?

Same.

I think the same.