Emma Grede

And it was because ahead of any board meeting, I started my first company when I was 26.

And I would get like hives ahead of going into a board meeting.

I just didn't really understand that my job was to show the board, here's the direction, this is where we're going and bring everybody on for a journey.

And this particular meeting, I was going in to make the suggestion that I have a pay increase.

And I think that it speaks so much to the way and the relationships that we have to money.

in that I simply couldn't articulate that I was worth it, that the company was making a ton of money and here is me over here making it all happen and therefore my value is as such.

And I have never, it's almost like a watershed moment for me.

It was like sort of before that meeting and after.

And it completely and fundamentally changed the way that I relate to my own self-worth in this one meeting.

And Jens, who wasn't my husband at the time,

Were we dating?

No, I don't even think we were dating then.

It was before that.

He said to me, oh, yeah, you know, you're always getting such a tizzy.

You know what your problem is, Emma?

You have an employee mentality.

And as the CEO of the company, I was like, what?

A, I was insulted.

B, I kind of fancied this guy.

So I was like...