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Emma Green

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The New Yorker Radio Hour
How the Trump Administration Made Higher Education a Target

So for this story, I spent a lot of time talking to both administration officials who work for the president now, but also people who were in that first Trump administration.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How the Trump Administration Made Higher Education a Target

And the thing that all of them have said is that they wish they had gone farther.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How the Trump Administration Made Higher Education a Target

Their perception was that their job was to come in, change some of the stuff that Obama had done that they didn't like, put some policies in place that could make incremental progress forward.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How the Trump Administration Made Higher Education a Target

But they were coloring within the lines.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How the Trump Administration Made Higher Education a Target

Even one of these officials who I talked to who was an advisor in the first administration in the Ed Department said that the things that they were doing now in 2025 would have been unthinkable in 2017.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How the Trump Administration Made Higher Education a Target

So, for example, taking on a school like Harvard aggressively to say, we believe that you have violated your federal contract with us.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How the Trump Administration Made Higher Education a Target

You've had this rampant anti-Semitism.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How the Trump Administration Made Higher Education a Target

That's a violation of federal statute, but it's also a violation of your agreement with us.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How the Trump Administration Made Higher Education a Target

We're going to freeze literally hundreds of millions of dollars.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How the Trump Administration Made Higher Education a Target

That kind of muscular approach...

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How the Trump Administration Made Higher Education a Target

to higher education, and trying to aggressively step outside of incremental change to this idea of paradigm shift in the sector.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How the Trump Administration Made Higher Education a Target

That's the huge shift.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How the Trump Administration Made Higher Education a Target

I think reaction is definitely a good word for it.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How the Trump Administration Made Higher Education a Target

And that tracks with how President Trump got reelected in 2024, the sense of backlash to where our culture had gone.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How the Trump Administration Made Higher Education a Target

And I was talking to this advisor in the education department who had worked under the first Trump administration.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How the Trump Administration Made Higher Education a Target

And he spoke about living through those Biden years and watching things like, for example, Leah Thomas win the NCAA championship.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How the Trump Administration Made Higher Education a Target

The swimmer at the University of Pennsylvania.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How the Trump Administration Made Higher Education a Target

And I think that unbridgeable worldview is really important because it shows why the Trump administration has been able and willing to act this aggressively in the higher ed sphere.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How the Trump Administration Made Higher Education a Target

They see higher ed as the common theme in all of this cultural change, and they see that cultural change as being extreme, something that needs a really muscular response.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How the Trump Administration Made Higher Education a Target

She was a policy deputy for Stephen Miller.

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