Emma Pinchbeck

And when we get our social research back, that is the thing that people are crying out for.

The most common thing that is said in our citizens panel work is, I didn't know this information.

Why didn't anyone tell me this?

I wish I had time to understand this.

And they often come out of that deliberative process in a very different place.

And it's not because we're going in to change their minds.

We're just giving them evidence as we are.

It's not our job to campaign for an outcome.

It's our job to kind of show people the evidence and show politicians the evidence.

More of that.

I feel like I'm the queen of nuance in an age of...

Where you're supposed to have an immediate short-term solution.

Thank you for giving me that bad news.

But you could also, I mean, there are things we can...

If you made electricity cheap now, if you did some of that policy change, if they'd gone a step further on renewables obligation, if you make some bold moves now, you will get short, medium and long term payoffs for it for the economy.

So I appreciate it's a really difficult time for everyone and a difficult time for politicians.

But we do need some big choices to happen and for them to happen now.

I look forward to the emails on marginal pricing.

Emma Pinchbeck is the chief executive of the UK's Climate Change Committee. She spoke about this problem with BBC Radio 4's The Food Program. The biggest chunk of emissions from agriculture comes from simply having livestock on the land. That's the bit of the puzzle that we need to think about going forward. And in the way that we've thought about it, for every cow or sheep we take off the land, we put on something else. And what that does overall is it makes farmers and landowners part of the solution to climate change, not the problem.