Emmanuel Macron

But I really believe as well that I advocated nine years ago a more sovereign Europe.

I pushed this approach of a strategic autonomy of the Europeans.

Some colleagues did follow me and wanted to cooperate.

Some of those were super skeptical, saying, okay, this is a French idea.

It will never work.

And some of those were still in them.

In the certainty that the relationship with the U.S.

is something which will never change and that this is a geopolitical umbrella and a strong alliance which will always deliver.

I mean, all this approach collapsed.

And not to say that we want to be confrontational with the U.S.

I mean, the more intense the relation could be, the more happy I will be.

But having an ally, having a friend, doesn't mean that you're dependent on your friend.

And I really believe that when a lot of Europeans see that this approach is adopted by a country like India, it gives them more trust.

And they accept to be probably a little bit bolder.

So I really believe on the potential of this relation as well because it's...

it will increase what we want to do together, meaning being more independent.

And once again, what do we want to be more independent?

First, because we are obsessed by this sovereign approach.

What does it mean sovereign?

Our fellow citizens decide for themselves.