Eric Jorgensen

And if they've really only worked in corporate jobs, or especially if they've only ever freelanced, I know, oh, they're actually not going to be able to handle that much.

They don't understand the monotony of continuous work, which is like,

I think David Foster Wallace talks beautifully about how that is sometimes the hardest part of life.

And so I think reading a book like this can reframe what you think hardcore is.

David and I were talking and we were laughing.

David's my producer.

And he was like, I told them we're hardcore here.

I giggled because I was prepping for this.

And I was like...

Hardcore.

We should define that.

And then I was like, when was the last time anybody here stayed until like 9, 10, 11, 12?

And I'm almost embarrassed to say not often ever.

And so like defining what hardcore is for yourself, but seeing like a real, you know, level of hardcore, I think also puts things in perspective when things are really tough.

So like this is maybe even a book worth reading when you're struggling, when life's really hard to put in perspective what hard is.

Yeah.

My husband always says, you want to be cool, got to do cool shit.

So that's all right.

What about he, I love this quote that's in your book too.

Elon says, if you need encouragement, don't start a company.