Eric Jorgenson

And if you do that a few times, then you become, you know, the person who builds the developments in the city.

You've done the last five, they've all been successful.

And so of course the sixth development is going to like pick up the phone and call you directly and you don't even have to pitch anybody.

Right.

And I bet you, if you go through like

all of the A-list of Hollywood right now, you can map their career phases to those different forms of luck.

You know, there's people that like when you need a specific type of actor or character, you're like, well,

Christopher Walken's the only person who can do that role.

That's who everybody fills that gap with.

If you need a certain kind of movie directed and you want it to be top tier, it's going to be one of 10 people.

And those people had to all grind and then iterate and position themselves.

And then they became this singular person who gets the phone call.

Is Christopher Nolan lucky when he gets the next phone call or has he spent his entire career becoming the person?

Yeah.

I'm not, uh, I was, I was a little impatient early in my career and I'm not advocating for patience or slowness or anything, but my perspective now in my thirties is that, you know, the first 20 years of your career is an audition for the second 20 years of your career.

And like, if you look at Walter Isaacson, right?

Like did he get lucky when Steve jobs called him?

It was like, Hey, I'm

I've got a few good years left.

Like I want you to write my biography.