Menu
Sign In Search Podcasts Libraries Charts People & Topics Add Podcast API Blog Pricing

Eric Ries

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
3611 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

Podcast Appearances

Before Breakfast
Make good things last, with Eric Ries

Okay, it's gonna sound radical at first to people who are not used to rethinking what profit is, but I assure you it's backed by really good evidence and I'll walk you through the logic of why I think it's right.

Before Breakfast
Make good things last, with Eric Ries

So I think to make a profit is simply to maximize human flourishing.

Before Breakfast
Make good things last, with Eric Ries

That's literally what it means to be a for-profit company.

Before Breakfast
Make good things last, with Eric Ries

So already you can see that our current labels of for-profit and nonprofit make no sense.

Before Breakfast
Make good things last, with Eric Ries

because um you know the smithsonian institute is technically a non-profit from a tax status perspective but it creates lots of human flourishing and makes pretty good net income too philip morris is a merchant of death so although it has a lot of net income it's not actually making profit it's um extracting money value out of the bodies the human bodies that it destroys so that's um

Before Breakfast
Make good things last, with Eric Ries

That's just a statement of fact.

Before Breakfast
Make good things last, with Eric Ries

I don't think that's actually that radical when you think about it.

Before Breakfast
Make good things last, with Eric Ries

But people say, well, okay, but if that's true, then we need to have a new term.

Before Breakfast
Make good things last, with Eric Ries

We can't redefine profit.

Before Breakfast
Make good things last, with Eric Ries

We have to have double bottom line, triple bottom line.

Before Breakfast
Make good things last, with Eric Ries

Fred Reicheld, who I really admire, has a concept he calls good profits and bad profits.

Before Breakfast
Make good things last, with Eric Ries

And it's basically like good profits are the profits that create long-term sustainability and allow customers to trust you and build your brand.

Before Breakfast
Make good things last, with Eric Ries

Bad profits are anything else.

Before Breakfast
Make good things last, with Eric Ries

But I actually really want to push back on that.

Before Breakfast
Make good things last, with Eric Ries

I don't understand why we have to say that bad profits are profits.

Before Breakfast
Make good things last, with Eric Ries

Because these terms, we can define them however we want.

Before Breakfast
Make good things last, with Eric Ries

And the most important thing I learned while writing this book was I really studied like, how did we wind up in this shareholder primacy situation in the first place?

Before Breakfast
Make good things last, with Eric Ries

And if you look at, you know, Milton Friedman and the other thinkers who really advanced this idea that the responsibility of a corporation is just to maximize its profits.

Before Breakfast
Make good things last, with Eric Ries

It was a relatively small cabal of academics, judges, board members, lawyers, who became enamored with this idea starting in the 60s and 70s.

Before Breakfast
Make good things last, with Eric Ries

And it only really became like,