Eric Schmidt

Another one would be that the computer systems decide to exfiltrate themselves, to reproduce themselves, without our permission.

So there's a set of such things.

The problem with Joshua's speech with respect to such a brilliant person is stopping things in a globally competitive market doesn't really work.

Instead of stopping agentic work, we need to find a way to establish the guardrails, which I know you agree with, because we talked about it.

In many cases, we already have doctrines about personal responsibility.

A simple example, I did a lot of military work and continue to do so.

The US military has a rule called 3000.09, generally known as human in the loop, or meaningful human control.

You don't want systems that are not under our control.

It's like a line we can't cross, I think that's correct.

I think that the competition

between the West, and particularly the United States, and China, is going to be defining in this area.

And I'll give you some examples.

First, the current government has now put in essentially reciprocating 145 percent tariffs.

That has huge implications for the supply chain.

We, in our industry, depend on packaging and components from China that are boring, if you will, but incredibly important.

The little packaging and the little glue things and so forth that are part of the computers.

If China were to deny access to them, that would be a big deal.

We are trying to deny them access to the most advanced chips, which they are super annoyed about.

Dr. Kissinger asked Craig and I to do track two dialogues with the Chinese, and we were in conversations with them.

What's the number one issue they raise?