Eric Schwalm

And actually, and the other thing is, is appreciate the level of sophistication of the people that you're going after.

You have to give them credit.

You can't sit there and think that they're, you know, they don't know what they're doing.

The sophistication is out there.

Oh, yeah.

One more thing.

I just want to talk about one of the things that's going out there, at least among for the SF brethren, for the veterans and stuff like that.

Please look at Matt Larson, who ran the U.S.

Army Combatants Program.

and Sergeant Major Mike Vining, they're talking about moral injury right now.

And they are kind of on the forefront of the PTSD moral injury things.

And as veterans, we need to take care of each other.

22 a day is just way too many.

Um, moral injury.

Uh, if you look at it, my understanding of it, Matt can probably explain a lot better, but, uh, I was raised a certain way.

I came from a blue collar family, very, very religious.

Uh, what I grew up with, what I understand to be morals are, were framed.

And when you go overseas into combat, even law enforcement officers can face moral injury as well.

is your morals, the morals inside a combat zone, the morals in policing and stuff like that change.

And so you have a clash of ideologies between the morals that you had to develop in combat and the morals that you grew up with, were raised with and everything else like that.