Eric Topol

And I think that gets us to the topic at hand.

There's many things I love about this book.

One is that you don't just get into science and medicine.

but you cut across all the domains, law, mathematics, AI.

So it's a very comprehensive sweep of everything about proof and truth.

And it couldn't come at a better time, as we'll get into.

Maybe just starting off with math, the term I love, mathematical monsters.

Can you tell us a little bit more about that?

You know, it's great how you convey how nature isn't so neat and tidy and things like brownie emotion, understanding that.

I mean, just so many things that I think fit into that general category.

In the legal, we won't get into too much because, you know, that's not the...

so much the audience of Ground Truths, but the classic things about innocent until proven guilty and proof beyond reasonable doubt.

I mean, these are obviously really important parts of that overall sense of proof and truth.

We're going to get into one thing I'm fascinated about related to that subsequently.

And then, you know, in science, so before we get into the different types of proof, obviously the pandemic is still fresh in our minds and we're endemic of COVID now.

And there are so many things we got wrong along the way of uncertainty and didn't convey that science isn't always evolving correctly.

search for what is the truth uh there's plenty no shortage of uncertainty at any moment so can you kind of recap some of the you did so much work during the pandemic and obviously some of it's in the book um what were some of the major things that you took out of proof and truth from the pandemic i think it was it was almost this the story of two hearts because on on the one hand

Yeah, I mean, that term that you just used, follow the science, is such an important term because it tells us about the dynamic aspect.

It isn't just a snapshot.

It's constantly being revised.