Eric Topol

So in that discussion, a lot of these points that you've been raising helped me to come to a conclusion.

Not to a point where basically I was trying to put a bow on it, as you said, or trying to externalize or abstract it, but to have a happy ending with him about this.

Saying, okay, well, it's never going to get done, but if you want to get it, I'm supportive of that.

We don't do enough of this.

I had to listen to what he had to say.

I had to deal with my own...

confirmation biases and not get emotional and all that stuff, right?

Now, I'd like the two of you to role play on something like that, if you would.

And let me just give you an example.

Maybe you can run with it.

Let's go to COVID, okay?

So one of you will take the side that we shouldn't do any more COVID research because the pandemic is over.

And we need to be efficient and not use these funds for other things.

COVID is over.

Long COVID is a hoax.

And the other person will take the side that, no, this is a really big deal because COVID has not gone away and there's still a pandemic or endemic of the virus.

But in long COVID, there's millions of people.

Who wants to take the side of take away the funds?

Would that be you, Bob?

Okay, you are the one to be on that side.