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Eric Topol

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
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Ground Truths
Carl Zimmer: Air-Borne and the Big Miss With Covid

Now, in 2018, there was, I guess, a really important TEDMED talk by Lydia, I don't know how you pronounce her last name, Borbarilla or something like that.

Ground Truths
Carl Zimmer: Air-Borne and the Big Miss With Covid

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Ground Truths
Carl Zimmer: Air-Borne and the Big Miss With Covid

And she basically presented graphically.

Ground Truths
Carl Zimmer: Air-Borne and the Big Miss With Covid

Of course, all this stuff is more strained for people to believe because of the invisibility story.

Ground Truths
Carl Zimmer: Air-Borne and the Big Miss With Covid

But she, I guess, gave demos that were highly convincing to her audience if only more people were in her audience, right?

Ground Truths
Carl Zimmer: Air-Borne and the Big Miss With Covid

27 feet, I think I saw.

Ground Truths
Carl Zimmer: Air-Borne and the Big Miss With Covid

Yeah, right.

Ground Truths
Carl Zimmer: Air-Borne and the Big Miss With Covid

Geez, and amazing.

Ground Truths
Carl Zimmer: Air-Borne and the Big Miss With Covid

Now, the case that you, I think, centered on to show how stupid we were, not everyone, not this group of 36 we're going to talk about, not everyone, but the rest of the world, like the WHO and the CDC and others,

Ground Truths
Carl Zimmer: Air-Borne and the Big Miss With Covid

was this choir, the Skagit Valley Chorale in Washington State.

Ground Truths
Carl Zimmer: Air-Borne and the Big Miss With Covid

Now, this was in March 2020, early on in the pandemic.

Ground Truths
Carl Zimmer: Air-Borne and the Big Miss With Covid

There were 61 people exposed to one symptomatic person, and 52 were hit with COVID.

Ground Truths
Carl Zimmer: Air-Borne and the Big Miss With Covid

52 out of 61, only eight didn't get COVID, 87% attack rate.

Ground Truths
Carl Zimmer: Air-Borne and the Big Miss With Covid

Eventually, it was written up by an MMWR report that we'll link to.

Ground Truths
Carl Zimmer: Air-Borne and the Big Miss With Covid

This is extraordinary because it defied the idea of that it could only be liquid droplets, right?

Ground Truths
Carl Zimmer: Air-Borne and the Big Miss With Covid

So why couldn't this early event, which was so extraordinary, opened up people's mind that there's not this six-foot roll and it's all these liquid droplets and the rest of the whole story that was wrong.

Ground Truths
Carl Zimmer: Air-Borne and the Big Miss With Covid

It's amazing.

Ground Truths
Carl Zimmer: Air-Borne and the Big Miss With Covid

I mean, one of the quotes that I thought was another one I grabbed me in the book, in that group of the people that did airborne,

Ground Truths
Carl Zimmer: Air-Borne and the Big Miss With Covid

research, understanding this whole field, the leaders.

Ground Truths
Carl Zimmer: Air-Borne and the Big Miss With Covid

There's a fellow, Jose Luis Jimenez from University of Colorado Boulder.