Eric Topol

Well, I mean, I know you think globally, but at least from a day-to-day standpoint, you're in a

a land that is functioning by the old ways of respecting data, evidence, science, and the power of vaccines, the most important tool we have in all of public health.

So, familiar grounds for you.

Now...

You led Gavi for 12 years and obviously culminated in this COVAX effort.

Then you decided to move on, I guess.

Was there anything about the move from leading Gavi that was just 12 years enough or what were your thoughts about that one?

Yeah, so there's another part of what we're trying to do.

probe here about why that we get into this situation where we're not going to be prepared unless something you know drastic is it shakes things up as we stand right now and you know one of those courses denialism that is you know after going through what this horrific

pandemic for years.

It's just like, who needs to deal with it anymore?

Just denying that there's even the virus out there that although, oh, it's just a cold.

I mean, you know, this kind of stuff, even though that we got hundreds of people dying every year.

every week.

And that's what I wanted to get into is if we weren't in this denial mode.

And by the way, we did just start a very large, the largest yet long COVID trial with Terzepetide last week.

And we've had incredible interest in enrollment.

It's a thousand participant trial.

I think we had half as many of the thousand in the first couple of few days.

So there's great interest in getting a treatment for long COVID.