Eric Topol

She has a new book out, which is just getting in the U.S.

right now, How Not to Die Too Soon, the lies we've been told and the policies that can save us.

It's an extraordinary book, and the convergence with the book I recently had published, Super Ages, is also notable.

We look at it very differently.

I'm looking at it more from an individual level and Debbie from the world level.

I mean, she has a planetary perspective, which we'll get into, which is quite remarkable.

So welcome, Debbie.

Yeah, well, it's such a treat to be able to talk to you about the insights you have.

because you really are the wizard for me in global health and one of the leading public health faculty, professors, resources in the world.

So first thing I wanted to get to is when you were putting this together, what was the main premise about, you know, it wasn't, I don't think, longevity per se, but maybe you could get us straightened out on it.

Yeah, well, you know, there's a lot of optimism and a lot of personal stories.

You start off the book with your own, I think, health concern.

And, of course, there's many others that really bring it to the fore.

Maybe you can tell us a bit about that because I think that really is a grabber from the very beginning of the book.

Yeah, and I think the place that you're living and some of the things we learn from other countries, that's what I really got out of the book is how you have such wisdom about the culture of places around the world.

So I thought maybe we'd start with the diet story.

Of course, we share in the UK and US the worst consumption of ultra-processed foods in the world.

And there's still people doubting the ultra-processed foods, which I find quite remarkable.

Can you give us your perspective about that?

Because I'm not aware of countries that are really bearing down on this.