Eric Topol

And the fact like, for example, in Delhi, it's like just breathing the air there is like having 10 or 15 cigarettes a day, which is incredible.

Nothing seems to be getting done to get this on track.

And there's only a little bit we can do with having air purifiers.

What are we going to do about this mess?

I mean, part of it, of course, is entangled with the climate crisis.

Any thoughts about that?

Well, I hope we'll get over this kind of fatalistic approach here and really get on it.

It's such a critical matter.

It's just not getting enough attention and you really brought it to the fore.

Like air, there's also the desire to have clean water, right?

And here, I think, along with air, you highlighted Switzerland as a place that seems to be more into this, trying to aspire to the cleanest water.

What are we going to do about the water?

Because this is another serious mess that we're in.

Yeah, no, it's so important.

I mean, you're getting into the big topics that so far have not nearly the attention or the action, not just the talk, but the walk.

And that gets us also to the topic of inequities that you, as a chair of global health at a great university, this quote I thought really grabbed me.

This grotesque inequality is breaking the bonds that hold us together in humanity.

This is inequality that literally kills.

So, so much of what we've been talking about, of course, is exacerbated greatly because of inequities.

And there doesn't seem to be nearly enough work on that if we're going to have this idea of a better, healthier, approaching much greater than where we are today, which is in the 80 or so category for lifespan, but not necessarily at all for healthspan.