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Building on that mission point, what do you think is needed to encourage more a culture of compassion rather than condemnation?

You raise the good point that there have been advances

in other conditions and other places of health that have not yet made it to behavioral health.

I'm curious, how do you see the role of technology as one example of raising the bar in terms of education and awareness, quality of care we're able to deliver, and mental health?

And to your point, this really should be a priority on every CEO's agenda.

And the only way to move from a current state of systems not being aligned to a future state where you really have those aligned financial incentives and recognition.

Would love to hear from you how the employer is the nexus of some of that with their relationships with payers and providers and other organizations.

and it can be extinguished if there's a culture in place and that cultural change it needs to be led by the ceo i think it's a great and powerful point that you raise that in order to really mobilize this range of stakeholders whether it be investors philanthropy government payers providers in a sense the employer needs to be at the table making that demand and raising this issue

When you think about the role that employers in terms of human service providers are playing, how do you view mental health literacy as helping with those, whether it be health care, law enforcement, teachers who are working with some of the more vulnerable populations?

I think that the importance of the long-term view, especially when thinking about value, is really important.

And just your point, too, that you can't be thinking about mental health in isolation, that we know that there's a really strong intersection of individuals with chronic physical conditions that have higher rates of mental health issues, also individuals with unmet social needs that have higher rates of mental health and how this just needs to be top of mind for everybody.

Stepping back a bit, I'm wondering if you could have everyone spending 30 minutes to just do something to improve their mental health literacy and understanding, start to get a step closer to that compassion that you spoke about, what would that be?

That human connection and trust is so important.

On a final note, and building off of your earlier theme of hope of the fact that we should as a society be in a position to actually tackle and achieve this, what would you say we're actually doing right right now to help crack the code on improving mental health literacy and actually making progress in this area?

Patrick, thank you so much for your time today, for the thought-provoking discussion, and for your challenge for us to prioritize mental health as a nation, and for each of us to up our game.

We really appreciate all that you do.