McKinsey on Healthcare
Changing views on mental and substance use disorders: An interview with Patrick Kennedy
24 Apr 2020
Chapter 1: What are the critical impacts of COVID-19 on mental health?
McKinsey on Healthcare, a podcast series about visionaries, leaders, and problem solvers shaping the future of healthcare. Thank you for tuning in to our McKinsey on Healthcare podcast interview with Patrick Kennedy, former congressman and founder of the Kennedy Forum.
Of note, the original podcast was recorded prior to the recent impact of the COVID-19 pandemic, yet we've been able to add questions from a brief phone interview on April 8th to the end of this podcast. The topic of behavioral health remains critically relevant.
It is inevitable that the global pandemic, compounded by financial crisis, will have a material impact on the behavioral health of society. As such, it has never been more important to safeguard the behavioral health of our families and the resilience of our communities.
Through this conversation with Patrick Kennedy, we hope to highlight what measures stakeholders across the healthcare system can take to ensure needed support for people with mental and substance use disorders.
Chapter 2: How can stakeholders in healthcare support mental health?
I'm honored to be speaking with Patrick Kennedy, former Congressman and the founder of the Kennedy Forum. So great to be talking with you. Today, we're going to be focusing on mental health.
Chapter 3: Why is the focus on employers crucial for mental health?
We know that this is top of mind for companies trying to move the needle for those facing mental health challenges. It's a really big topic. In fact, it's one of the focus areas for our Center for Societal Benefit through Healthcare. Research shows that one in two individuals in the US will experience a mental or substance use disorder in their lifetime.
The numbers involved are, of course, enormous, and so are the implications for society. We know this topic is of personal relevance to you, and especially through some of the work you've done at the Kennedy Forum, you've focused on how mental health needs to be part of that overall health in the workplace. I'd love to understand why the focus on employers.
Well, thank you, Erica. I thank McKinsey for putting a spotlight on this issue and using their platform to really take some of these subjects out to a much broader audience. We really do need to focus on employers because that's where the people are.
Chapter 4: What role does mental health literacy play in society?
The work that I did on the mental health parity and Addiction Equity Act, which we passed in 2008. It's basically saying we don't want these illnesses discriminated against in the form of more limited access to care and higher thresholds for medical management determination. It's just wrong that we've denied people access to treatment for so long.
And then we wonder why it's such a systemic issue in our society. And employers are really in the middle of it because it's not just the criminal justice system. It's not just the homeless populations. It's our newest generation of workers who are coming in, who are suffering, according to all indicators, with much higher risk. levels of depression and anxiety.
This is a phenomenon now that needs the leadership of employers because they dictate what the policies are in the workplace in terms of employer benefits, employee benefits, EAPs.
Chapter 5: How can technology improve mental health support?
employee assistance programs, as well as how the payers structure what the kind of care is that will be considered primary care, which will mean that it's not going to impede an employee from gaining access to that treatment because of really high deductibles and co-pays and the like. It's all in aligning the financial incentives.
And the most salient issue is we know good mental health has a huge ROI. That ROI can be defined in numerous ways, lower absentee rates, much higher productivity rates, hence lower presenteeism, much less comorbidities in terms of disability, but
Ultimately, it's only going to happen if you structure the value proposition and the risk proposition by payers in a way that doesn't have to be defined in such a narrow window. of time, the way most insurance companies evaluate ROI. And that's what really precludes us as a healthcare system from investing in what has all kinds of ancillary benefits to the employer community.
which they ought to be insisting that their third-party administrators really focus on. But the third-party administrators do not take into their value proposition the lower disability, the lower presenteeism, and the lower absenteeism. That's not part of their metric.
Chapter 6: What systemic changes are needed in mental health care?
And because it's not, they do not evaluate towards it. And hence, they're not giving employers the kind of product that the employer should demand. That's only going to happen if companies lay this out at the C-suite level and say, you've never thought of it in these ways, but perhaps it's important for you to start to think about this.
that's a really important framing and i love your point that employers is where the people are and this is one way to really make a difference picking up on your notion of discrimination and what might be leading some of those barriers of people accessing care getting quality care how much of this do you think comes to just lack of understanding or mental health literacy
So we need a toolkit as policymakers, as advocates, as politicians. There's just no voice for these issues. And it's principally because people still feel the shadow of judgment and shame when someone says that they have a mental health issue. It still feels very viscerally like it's a personal moral failing on the part of people who suffer from it.
Chapter 7: How does stigma affect mental health treatment accessibility?
So even with the changes in stigma, we're still digging out of a big hole. That is the biggest barrier. It's meant that no one's up their game. Because no one has demanded greater accountability. You had better be on your toes when the American Cancer Society comes calling, if you're a politician.
If you're an AIDS action network, you had better be on your toes because the advocacy is unparalleled. It's backed up with money and voting lists and town hall support. But with this community, because we've been so anemic, people haven't needed to really worry about them being vaccinated. that good at what they do. And by the way, that's compounded by the fact that they're not paid.
Chapter 8: What lessons can we learn from past crises for future mental health responses?
So it's a vicious cycle. They're not paid because they're not very good. And they're not very good because they're not well paid. My view is cancer, we've changed in the course of the last several decades because we threw a lot of money at it. And for a long time, we never made great strides. But in the last two decades, we've made enormous strides
and it shows what happens if you have the will now we have to have the will to do something and not be so obsessed right away with getting results because the results will come But we have to have the mission. That has to be what brings us to this space. Because if we have the mission, all of this will work out. If we start to micromanage this, we're going to lose the bigger picture.
The bigger picture is none of us wants the current system. The current system isn't serving people with serious mental illness and people with all kinds of mental health challenges.
Building on that mission point, what do you think is needed to encourage more a culture of compassion rather than condemnation?
Well, I think that this does affect every single person in this country. There isn't a family that can't tell a story about how it's impacted them. It's incredibly personal and painful in my own family to think about the numerous ways that my mom's alcoholism and depression affected all of us, and my dad's post-traumatic stress and drinking affected all of us.
And, you know, what really affected us was the shame that came from them suffering in these ways. My grandmother on my mom's side died alone as someone with alcoholism. She was divorced from my grandfather. No one spoke to her. She was isolated. And that's because shame did that.
If we had intervened earlier in all of these illnesses, if we can treat it in a normalized way so that everyone expects to get the questionnaire like they do for stroke and cancer and everything else, you know, what's your family history? What's your risk, in other words? then we know how to triage people and risk them so that doctors will know how to better treat those people.
We've talked about an epidemic of opioids, but there's a whole slew of additional medications that are written that are not good if people have an underlying addiction or a mental illness in many cases. So the system is not aligned, and we have to do a lot to align the system.
where we train providers to really train in a level of expertise for a particular type of diagnosis so that we can really get personalized medicine brought to this field like we expect it in cancer and in other diseases. So much to do, but as big as it seems to try to take on all of this work,
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