Erik Bethel

I'm seeing the same thing I mentioned earlier, which is you're a founder, you've got this amazing technology, and then when you get to the Pentagon, the Pentagon is a big black box.

And you say, where do I even start?

It's so overwhelming.

Now, I think DIU is making great strides.

They're gonna probably amplify their budget.

But the system itself, as Eric mentioned, the system is broken.

And so something has to be done to reform procurement wholesale.

I mean, take it down to the studs and rebuild it because it's so broken.

And the right authorities.

I mean, I've heard about it, but anything leaked from the CCP is... Quite intentional.

I think it could be fictional.

I don't spend a lot of time on leaked memos.

So when I think of the rules-based order, I think of the British Redcoats who would stand in like two or three lines and say, ready, aim, fire.

And we were taking pot shots at them from the trees.

And they would say, that's not gentlemanly.

And we're like, so what?

We just want to win, guys.

But this book is actually, it's very important because when China thinks of war, they think that everything becomes an artifact of war.

In other words, we think in terms of war is kinetic, but diplomatic stuff is diplomatic stuff.

And climate change is that, and data is that.