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The Shawn Ryan Show

#209 Erik Prince & Erik Bethel - The China / Taiwan Conflict

16 Jun 2025

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5.482 - 11.392 Shawn Ryan

Eric Prince, Eric Bethel. I was hoping you guys would meet someday. Glad to make that happen.

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12.614 - 14.077 Erik Bethel

Eric's with a K. Yeah.

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14.397 - 40.147 Shawn Ryan

Truly an anomaly. Three of them in the building right now. But just thank you guys for coming, both of your repeat guests. former ambassador to World Bank, Eric Prince, former CEO of Blackwater, Navy SEAL. So I wanted to get you- Ambassador of happiness. Ambassador of happiness. I wanted to get you guys in here about this Taiwan stuff that's going on.

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40.287 - 69.808 Shawn Ryan

So the timing couldn't really be better for me. I got the vice president of Taiwan coming on here pretty soon. And so everything just lined up perfectly. And I want to use this interview to kind of educate the audience and not only the audience, but myself on why Taiwan is such a strategic location and why it's so important in the world. And when it comes to chip manufacturing, all this stuff.

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69.828 - 100.39 Shawn Ryan

But I did not realize how delicate that situation was due to its history with China until I started prepping for this interview. And I mean, I knew the semiconductors and it's been terrifying to me to think that China might take them and they say they will by 2027. But when you look at the history, it's pretty dicey. And so Eric Bethel, if you don't mind giving us a brief history on

100.775 - 106.157 Shawn Ryan

Taiwan and China and how delicate the situation actually is.

106.258 - 134.845 Erik Bethel

I'm not a historian, but I'll give you a rough outline. We gotta go back way, way, way early. So the Dutch arrived, well, the Portuguese discovered Taiwan. They called it Ilha Formosa, which means beautiful island. The Dutch arrived in the 1620s or so and formed little villages of sorts. The people that were living in Taiwan were Austronesian tribes.

135.165 - 158.743 Erik Bethel

There were no ethnic Han Chinese living there at the time. And the Dutch were at the time competing with the Spaniards. The Spaniards had a settlement in one part of the island. The Dutch had a settlement in the other. And it was ironically the Dutch that began bringing in folks from mainland China into Taiwan. They were typically from Fujian province, but some came from the south.

159.601 - 191.585 Erik Bethel

And over time, Taiwan was essentially a backwater. Neither the Ming Dynasty nor the Qing Dynasty gave a rip about Taiwan. And in, I want to say 1895, somebody will correct me on this, I'm sure, the Japanese took it over and it was a part of Japan until after World War II. never in Taiwan's history was it a part of the Chinese Communist Party.

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