Erik Bethel

These are how the values that underpin, plus our Judeo-Christian value system, this is what we believe is the right way to govern society.

Over here, it's authoritarianism, state-driven capital, and surveillance, right?

And autocracy.

Right.

Ours is, as Eric mentioned, a lot messier.

Theirs is a lot more efficient.

But ultimately, when the state directs the, I don't know, like you've got 200 million empty houses in China and apartments.

I mean, to me, that's economic foolishness.

When you kill 50 million people through the Great Leap Forward, that's just, it's awful, right?

But the narrative battle is happening today.

And in the short term, it looks like they're winning, right?

Because they're more efficient.

They can build trains.

Like, look at California.

You can't build a train from San Francisco to LA.

It takes 20 years and billions of dollars.

In the short term, it looks like they're winning.

But I think long term, we prevail.

But let's not think China isn't trying to export their system overseas.

You've got places from small islands in the Pacific, like the Solomon Islands that have just done a security treaty with the Chinese.