Erik Torenberg

And so it's made me skeptical of people calling for conspiracy.

And so I'm curious what sort of

mental model you might have for the idea of ops and how that might help one understand the social platforms today.

Well, AI, right?

A lot of paid doom out there.

We were just talking about Ayla's new media fellowship for doomers.

And yeah, it's a perfect example.

And it seems to be having a real impact.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's a great mental model for it.

Thinking about the last topic for today, I want to close on this, sort of the bridge between legacy and new media, because we see, just give some examples.

Obviously, the New York Times business, they've made the adjustment to the new world very well from a business perspective.

We had CBS acquire the free press.

And so there's some acquisitions there, strategic acquisitions for legacy media companies who are trying to innovate there.

You know, on MTS ourselves, we're sort of experimenting with players from both worlds.

You know, we have new school podcasters and Twitch streamers.

You know, Theo is, are you 21 years old?

Yeah.

You know, he's born to be a Twitch streamer, but we also have... I mean, 21, I mean, over the hill.