Erik Torenberg

Yeah, exactly.

You know.

Has been by now.

yeah washed um but we also have mark halperin who uh you know as you know legacy and legendary um you know uh commentator and host who funny enough uh you know we've talked about trump is the is the bridge figure uh in that he was successful both in legacy and in this new media media climate um and it's rare for people to do both halperin of course interviewed did a very famous interview with trump when he was uh talking about the bible verses and uh you know get getting him uh

to mention some specific ones.

And, you know, Trump, of course, didn't want to pick favorites.

Anyway, I'm curious how you think about the sort of the bridge, either analysis of Trump as a bridge or more just how do you see legacy players and new media players sort of, you know, playing out or even the styles of what will work in this new new format?

Yeah.

and it you know 2024 was the podcast election um it'll be interesting to see what 2028 uh will be people have been very concerned you know or sort of predicting you know deep fakes for a while uh and how that might influence things but we haven't really seen any anything there is super material it's it seems but it'll be interesting to see what what media formats or just how the 2028 election is is different than the 2024 one in terms of this conversation

possible it's 28 um probably my guess is 32 um yeah and so i i think we all have yes for better or for worse we all we all have that to look forward to yeah the uh well i think that's a great note to to wrap on this has been a great discussion all things media uh mark thank you for coming on the first day of monitoring the situation i am proud to be part of the monitoring

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