Erika

Right, because it just disrupts the core principle of a relationship, that you guys are a unit, that you're a team, and that you're communicating about everything that's basically happening in your lives. So to cross the boundary on something so delicate as an ex behind your partner's back, you're right, it's a major red flag.

Yeah, yeah. I like the audiobook versions.

Thanks.

I'm listening to it right now.

Kinky dollars.

It's interesting to put it like that, too, because then it's like, I even challenge the new girlfriend in that if this book was taken down, I don't know if her problems would be solved. Like, she still read this experience. It's still there. She's uncomfortable with what she read, and she's letting it out and executing it in a way of like, finish it, nobody else needs to read this.

But I think she clearly is just still like, I hate what I read, and I hate what I know, and trying to manage it in some way by shutting it down, but it's still gonna persist.

Totally.

Damn, now I want OP and the X to get back together and bang for the sequel.

It's so interesting, too. I mean, it's so predictable the way that she immediately is blaming OP for the breakup and then sees them together and calls it cheating. It's like there's so much displacing of responsibility and blame, just a constant source of insecurities.

Yeah, campus police wouldn't have done anything.

Yeah.

Anyway, need a ride to the co-op? Cool.

And that's hot. I'm into this man.

I don't blame him though. Maybe for having it on the Kindle, I say you go to Barnes and Noble and you read it at the store and then you go home and then you never talk about it again is maybe what I would do.

Absolutely. But I feel like that's the most discreet way to do it. I just feel like I don't blame him for the curiosity of just being like, what is this book and what is it made up of? I don't know. I feel like, truthfully, I would want to know.

Even better.

Yeah, every night.

It's tough. It's tough. I think I'm trying to, like, put myself directly in those shoes because it's also, like, from her angle, too, you see the author's name, which is the X. The X's name. So you're also seeing that, and I feel like that's a bigger trigger to be like, oh, my God, what is she doing on here?

Like, it's almost similar to that of, like, photos or, like, a quick identifying variable, you know?

You can't.

Well, unless it's laser tag.

Yeah, yeah. Okay.

Imagine if that's how you found out.

Okay, okay, okay. So that is also interesting, the idea of her asking her ex to just keep it between the two of them.

Well, does that feel like something you would have to tell your partner? Like, I don't know if I, like, that feels like information you should share.

I think so too. And I think you're right. I think some people are going to be split on this and they're going to be like... privacy first and you don't have to share things. Maybe there's some sort of middle ground of once you've been with somebody for a certain amount of time, then you can trust them with this information and open up about it.

I just feel like I'm going off of the notion that I feel like I over-communicate in a relationship and I'm just like, hey, my ex texted today and I just wanted to put that out there. Just so that nothing is questioned at all.

It's a complicated dilemma. I also just want to acknowledge I don't think that the author was wrong in writing that either. No. I think that's totally fair to share your experiences, especially if it is in a way that keeps it vague and doesn't reveal the identity. It just now has created this complication in the future where we haven't even discussed her future partners.

when she eventually brings somebody in the picture and is like, I wrote this book about my ex.

Totally.

Yeah.

It must have been really frickin' kinky.

Oh.

The imagination's gone wild.

I think we need to cut.

Oh no, I'm triggered. That's a crazy title. Oh god, oh god, oh god.

Yeah, that's kinky shit.

Are you kidding?

In front of her parents.

Classic women overreacting. Just bring it in, baby. Let's go do the sex things.

Right. But...

Yeah. It's clear it was a moment of him losing his temper and patience, right? In his head, he was like, okay, if she brings this up, it's going to really disrupt things for me. That's not what I want. So he was kind of waiting for that at dinner. And then I think when she did that, then it was like, oh, and he just said something.

I'm sure he didn't mean it, but that still doesn't mean you're going to be excused from the consequences. You say something so hurtful, and your audience is your wife of seven years and her parents. Like, it's just incredibly irresponsible to be saying that stuff. Like, so hurtful.

It's like, not only is she getting upset over an absurd question and answer, but he also answered the question correctly, and she's still upset.

Yeah, like, no bluffing.

Yeah.

Yeah, have fun being ever accepted in that family. The parents are truly never going to be like, oh yeah, we love our son-in-law. What?

The disconnect I feel like I really see here is with the practicality of their financial situation now getting in the way of them kind of understanding each other because what he's asking her to do, let go of this job that she loves and she really wants, but he's like, hey, we can't. financially this is what I need from you. And she's almost like reluctant to do so.

She's really wanting to keep this job. So I'm sure she feels misunderstood by her husband. And he is like, it's not about that. We just literally need money and that's all that I can think about. So it seems like almost like just two different brains that are clashing together.

And that's where that resentment comes from because now it's manifesting in them being like, you don't understand the financial situation and you don't understand how much I love my job. We're not on the same page anymore.

Right, she should write an erotica novel to make some extra money every month.

I think it's maybe the latter half that is telling us more about what's going on. The whole him saying things nonchalant, I think is the deeper rooted.

I mean, and let's point that out too, right? The underlying misogyny in all of this of him being able to get an extra 35K a year and her being told to her face that she's not valuable.

Totally.

Yeah, yeah. And, again, like, I think the real challenging part of this, I think a lot of people are going to also have this insight of, like, you don't really know a money situation until you're in it. You know? When you're struggling with money and when you are, like, financially just, like...

Never exes.

Not successful and and not feeling good like I I do also see that from a lot of people being like it doesn't matter like and it is gonna help and and and whatever we can do and if they did have kids which it's a blessing that they don't like that just adds to the stress of like that is the number one priority so I do also see that side of

of it just being like nothing else matters if we literally cannot put food on our plate, have a roof above our heads and stuff like that. It's just the fact that they aren't able to communicate about it and let each other in on that perspective. They're instead just holding on to those observations on their own and then letting it build up and it's causing this fight between the two of them.

She gets deed.

Right, I never said that, even though I typed up this post and admitted it.

Right, and still wrote, so what happened?

No.

Yeah. How frightening, too, that like just one year things can be so up and positive and life is amazing. And then all of these like unfortunate things can happen to you, your partner, your life. And it almost just shatters like that, I think, is the scariest part.

But prepared in a way of just knowing who you're gonna have your support from and with and be able to not, hopefully, self-sabotage.

No, and if the parents are there, you might as well pack up that night.

Yeah.

Oh my God.

Yeah, scary town.

I know. We literally heard two sentences about this ex, but then you telling us that he died, I feel like I knew him.

It's insanely intense.

And being like yeah exactly like I'm gonna do the effort of making sure that you can grow with me still in a way Yeah, I would water you for photosynthesis.

Or just like I had something to do with it.

She's like, get out of your fucking head.

I mean, you're right that grief is gonna be different for everybody, and maybe for her, in a way, she's weirdly coping by having this hypothesis that it could be her current boyfriend. That could be almost a way in which she's kind of dealing with it, or I guess not dealing with it, because she's just freaked out that it has to do with her in some way.

Yeah, if anything, he's taking it far too seriously.

Just rethinking everything and everyone in her life. And also the way that he described that specific interaction all of it is kind of really trippy too. The mom, very inappropriately, being like, you guys look so good together. That also is just such a mind fuck to be like, I just saw these people.

Damn, I'd smoke you. I'd smoke you, babe.

I just was almost transported back into the relationship and the connection that we had all these years ago. I did it in front of my current partner. And then that same night, all of this happened. Yeah, I guess I would also just be constantly like, overthinking those moments and anything could almost theorize for you there.

Yeah.

Yeah, that that comment to like made me think as well of like maybe her distance has to do like with something entirely different from from those options as well of like maybe she just was like, oh, what if he and I never broke up? And what if we were still together because of that comment that his mom made of us being so good together?

Like maybe that could have been a different life that I could live. And that's why she's also like, I don't know what life I'm living right now. It really might not happen.

You got me. I got super drunk. It was my bad.

And they don't prepare you for that in your adulthood, that you're gonna have some friendship breakups. It's really sad.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. For the record. For the record. I lied.

That is wild.

Do you guys think I'd still be a cast member if I was a plant?

This is insane. This is how I'm going to make it lighthearted. It's a metaphor, right? Because Anthony left, and Michelle is like his channel, and Nicole is Ian reaching out and being like, Anthony, I love you.

Layers. Layers.

Unfortunately. On board AF, those two plants.

And then Anthony reached out.

Yeah, the update's just we bought Smosh.

So we solved it. That's your answer.

This is really, this is really a lot.

They book every time.

Yeah.

Yeah, the backups, isn't it?

Yeah.

I could be a fake plant.

Right.

I don't know. I wasn't born yet, but I feel like the layer that was kind of surprising to me was at the end when he said Michelle, his current partner.

They all know each other and she would be okay with it?

He wants those things.

We don't have to go too much further into this if we don't want to, but I also, obviously we have to point out that Michelle did cheat on him as well. I can't say that I necessarily support the idea of being like, oh, you know, we're super happy together, except for this one time she cheated on me, but we're fine. We're fine.

And that's obviously, you know, we don't know all of the context, and he has described it as drunken night, was a mistake one time, blah, blah, blah. But those are very loaded blah, blah, blahs. There's definitely a lot there. And also, you don't just cheat on your partner. There had to have been a lot going on. There was definitely a lot of recovery on the other end. So...

It seems like just from reading this story, the obvious, I feel like, takeaway is that the audience is going to root for Anthony and Nicole to come together and be like, this is something that makes sense, and they separated also not out of conflict, but just because of circumstances.

This is the classic let them go if you love them, if you come back together, that kind of thing, and she's shooting her shot. She's being pretty respectful about it, I think.

Or maybe that's what spurred the cheating.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he said he was like tearing up reading it and stuff. There's a connection. Maybe he's just to your point, writing this to make himself almost feel OK about doing it, like kind of trying to seek permission a little bit and being like, is this OK if I pursue this? Because it I agree. I think it is what he clearly wants.

Yeah.

Yeah, but is it fair to send a letter to an ex that you have not spoken to in a decade and could possibly mess with their feelings? Like, yeah, in a way it could also be negative.

Totally, but this is a full declaration of what meant to be.

He was having an affair with somebody else.

I feel like they had to have at least, or at least the basis of like, hey, I was thinking about reaching out to him. Do you know if he's seeing anyone? I feel like there had to have been that communication, but you're right, we don't know.

Oh, okay.

Oh my God.

Yes! Update please. Yes!

Yeah.

Yeah, it comes out in silly ways.

Or he's like, finally got back into my Reddit account.

Ew.

Wow, I'm so happy for them.

Right. I feel like when you see this, like, that move kind of being made, or even just, like, that thought of, like, reconnecting with an ex, it's like, it's always like they're at the wedding already, and you're like, do I say something? And it's like, no, I should let them be happy, you know? Right. And it's like, that's a whole other movie on its own, but this couldn't have worked out better.

The fact that they're all three together, and there's a baby.

Me too. Very happy for them.

X's and O's.

X-O. Kisses. Right?

No.

You say hugs and kisses and you say X and O's. So X's are hugs and O's are kisses.

But you say X first and you say hugs and kisses. You know, XOXO.

Where my kiss at?

Yeah, because then you're just post-shower with lotion men on your finger and alone in the bathroom.

Yeah, although when you put it like that, I think there actually are probably a lot more cases where comedy gets misunderstood in a way. Maybe some that aren't seemingly as silly on the outside, but something where a joke really does get misplaced and it does hurt somebody's feelings.

Is she a bland?

Okay, I heard that right. Yeah, great.

Whoa.

Side note is it's so funny to say I let her talk for a bit.

And then finally I was like, all right, bitch.

I don't know how you water a woman.

I love sex things.

Yeah, we should get the name of this novel for research purposes.

Right, so we figured it out.

I don't know. I feel like I'd be like, that's kind of hot.

Yeah, it's also so bold to do that so early on in a new relationship.

To be able to go to great lengths to communicate to the ex like that. I feel like I also remember you saying that they communicate semi-frequently. Yeah, she said that. So maybe that's a part of it.

Completely.

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I was going to say, I don't know.

Did you see Brianna, Chicken Fry, LaPaglia might be dating someone new?

Well, Zach Bryan is 5'10 according to the... Okay. Okay.

That's her cat, though. What is he posting about the cat?

Well, Brianna rescued the cat from the streets. So it's like her emotional connection with the cat. Oh.

She's the like sugar baby. Yeah.

She's around his arms, the paparazzi.

Well, she came out single. She came out single. Okay, that's what I mean.

But did she? But did she? So basically, it's coming out that she's had a boyfriend for, I think it's four years. And she went on Love is Blind to get brand deals and publicize herself. As they do. And then he dropped her off at the airport for an L.A. trip to hang out with alumni. And now she's photographed with lots of them.

oh no is rocky putting her on blast rocky you know the the sources are saying that rocky's an absolute shock and he is and he's sharing that feeling with their entire friend group well he dropped her off at the airport for this trip and then she was photographed so i would be shocked too i would be right insane and then and then who's the guy she's my son he's a good picture of him he's a

He definitely doesn't look like Rocky.

Are you saying Brittany might be doing this?

The other thing about the Britney situation is she's also allegedly part of like the Perfect Match cast. So she went on two shows and might be possibly having this boyfriend.

Nick, do you think Teddy Mellencamp is milking her situation?

Yeah. Yeah. Well, so for context for the people listening, so Teddy's from Beverly Hills. She was a housewife.

So a source told Daily Mail that the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills alum and her German-born horse trainer, Simon, had a months-long love affair behind their spouse's back.

The horse trainer. The horse.

For context. So the horse trainer missed. We got it.

The horse trainer missed his wife giving birth because he was in Florida cheating on her with Teddy, the house.

If that's a rumor, he ain't there. The reason, I mean, we could still say alleged because Teddy is also on her side saying there's two sides of every story. I mean, she also posted a selfie 20 hours.

there was a horse event that happened like in the summer and like the horse community, I guess is small. And there was a confrontation that everybody saw, but it's just now coming out that there was an affair.

She's posting quotes. Yeah. Well, two weeks ago, she posted the divorce post saying we're separating. I want to get ahead of it. So specific words. And I'm prioritizing my children. 20 hours after this news came out, she posted a selfie saying, when you're being pushed into the shadows, always find your light. Comments were disabled.

And then she went on her podcast and then said, essentially, there's two sides to every story. I'm going to prioritize my children. Yeah.

And then there was a paparazzi kind of, like, staged photo of, like, Edwin, her husband, comforting her on, like, the side of the street. How do we know it's staged?

It's giving staged. Oh, no.

We're searching. I can't find it.

Yeah, it might be. It was everywhere before.

Yeah, I don't know. Can't find it. Wow. There was a horse event that happened this weekend, though, in Las Vegas. And the ex-wife was there and Teddy was there. The ex-wife still had her ring on. And Teddy went and just... And in the picture, she's kind of like looking to the side, which I mean, she could have been looking at anything, but also... People are saying she was looking at her.

Yeah, or they were in the same room after all this news broke.

I mean, I know there are, like, allegations and rumors spreading of, like, Edwin possibly also having an affair. Yeah.

It was the Las Vegas National Horse Show.

Kenya Moore, also switching gears, has addressed the revenge porn. Oh, that was... Well, I mean... Okay, I'll say what she said.

Who's Kenya? So, Kenya Moore, she was... Oh, do I know her?

She was Miss USA. She won it in the past. She's like... Miss USA? She was like a classy housewife. And then this past season that they were filming... Until... Something came out. Well, we knew at the time, this past season, she was removed from the cast halfway through because there was revenge porn of another housewife at her event. Whoa.

So when that happened, we just know that, like, she wasn't on the cast anymore. And there were, like, allegations of revenge.

So she came out and I did the TLDR for us. She was not fired. She's still under contract and she still receives checks from Bravo. She was never under suspicion of revenge porn from the network. And then what she said happened was things took a dark turn towards her. The young lady, who's the other housewife, took off her mic, screamed at her, and Kenya felt threatened.

She told producers she was concerned. She then didn't think they were doing enough. So she took matters into her own hands to find a receipt. And she said like housewives are known for the receipt. So she did her research and she said with a quick like Google search, she found these videos that are allegedly her, the other housewife. And at her salon, she pulled up the receipts.

She assumed it would be blurred out by the network. And she was not only protecting herself, but her child. And then she basically said, hindsight is always 50-50. If I could do it all over again.

I think so, yeah.

Well, so she was saying like there was not no actual like investigation against me. It's just people.

Yeah.

So this isn't the housewife that she had the alleged revenge porn of? Like, She's a new housewife. So they brought in new people. She was younger. Oh, jealous. And I guess she chose to go up against one of the OG housewives. And from what I remember, like, what the new housewife was doing was saying that, like, Kenya had a gun and, like, owns weapons.

Yeah, there was a lot of beef that happened. So then Kenya just escalated it with photos.

Brittany Eadie. Brittany Eadie.

I mean, she didn't mention Brittany's name in her accountability interview. No, she just said, like, the other woman, the young lady. So I'm sure there's some legal thing attached to that.

That happens every time.

Well, allegedly. The accusations. Allegedly. But he definitely was paid, also allegedly, to lose the fight, no?

It was a good episode.

We were cooking. Because first we have the lunch of John Barlow trying to like mediate Whitney and Lisa.

Mary said that. But she was kind of joking. John and Lisa are going to break up? She was kind of joking, but she's like, who are you talking about? Because that's not your wife. Like, you don't know your wife if that's what you're talking about. Basically, because John was mediating the conversation, but also being like, well, Lisa doesn't lie, so.

You know he wants to.

He loves her though.

He kind of tried to though. When he was like, do you think this? Good. Do you think this? Good. Okay, we're done. But also not enough.

We'll get to that. But before we leave this lunch, Sean basically called Lisa borderline abusive. I've been privy to some of the abuse.

It's a very strong word. I don't.

When Lisa said, well, I just have a different way of thinking. You guys clearly don't understand me, which is always Lisa's clap back. Because even season one, she's like, it's not my fault if you perceive the way that I treated you to be a way of treating you back.

What is he a CEO of? Of, as Todd said, a mediocre tequila brand.

well they're both their co like that's what he's the ceo well i think they have other businesses but like vita is one of the main ones yeah and then they have like the spirits brand or the seltzer brand yeah these are their companies to be clear yeah like they own it he does a lot of work for it like throughout the season he's like the one setting up the events with lisa and okay all right parallel parking but did you catch it when todd said at the event he was like oh like to his friends that aren't on not on the show he said they own like a tequila brand and they're like well doesn't everybody he was like well yeah mediocre tequila

Alibaba stuff. I'm glad that Meredith chose a different conversation to have this episode.

Did you catch the vape that they were hiding? Justin and I rewound this like six times. I screenshotted it. I was like, is that a vape?

That's what I was wondering. What's the storyline? Because he's been on the show in seasons before, but like in a small capacity of like, The narrative always seems to be like, well, he doesn't do anything. Like, oh, I just found out he married someone out of nowhere and they live in my house. I think she's genuinely like concerned for him.

I don't think it's like exploiting him necessarily.

I agree. Well, even when Mary said, like, I feel like it's my fault. Like, I'm not a mother, but I was like, I know that's something a lot of mothers like the guilt they have when something goes wrong.

when she said I feel like I'm losing him to something like that to me where it's like she's making it very clear like she knows that this is not her son in the right state of mind and he is 19 like I looked up his age he's still young but I think it's the fact that he's not at college he like married this wife in secrecy that now lives in the house and they just live in the room also that's weird that like if I I mean if I were the wife I would have left the room for that conversation I wouldn't be like eating my fries and chicken in the middle of like marrying the son I would have been like this is not for me

They seem high as fuck. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they do.

No, desperate for like her son to be OK.

Meredith's like, there's mild tension here. It's an unusual engagement, is what she said.

I did point out to Mary the other day that... She is. Shh.

no yes well no she's i point out to mary that meredith has a law degree but she's never actually practiced law she has on the show that she has on the show she's never actually practiced no she would have been too powerful but she still speaks she still speaks as if she like she's very like legally trained in her vernacular especially when it comes to like the sean versus meredith podcast thing does she ever say i have checked what do you mean

Some lawyer said. I object. Oh, object.

It's objection, yeah. He's watching the movie.

Which they rolled the tapes and Sean did say what Meredith was saying. That he was saying she leverages her son and the community.

Yeah, which I feel like there was other things tied in there because he was like, it's my biggest pet peeve. If I thought we were like good and we're good and then we're not because they squash the beef. So then it came back.

But then she, I mean, I agree.

Jen outed.

On Twitter. Season one or two. Yeah.

Yes, but then it became like she was like, well, one of my assistants had the phone or the account and was tweeting. Either way. So it wasn't fully clear who said it, but it came from her account.

Jen had to apologize to Brooks. It was like season one or two. Crazy.

She hates the kids.

I was going to say, can you imagine if it lags at the halftime? Yikes.

inflicting pain on our relationship in the same way does that make sense yes because i will say i mean i don't think sean remembered what he said yeah that's what the dinner he's like he clearly didn't remember yeah yeah but i will say i think he was right that meredith did do harm and for her to just kind of get the pass even if she didn't do it but the community did it uh-huh it's like hypocritical that she's like quote-unquote accusing someone of their sexuality versus like it's okay because she has a gay son yeah someone from the community that's my take so i agree

She said, you want to talk about the husband.

Monica was the one that said it.

So that's where Meredith is lawyering is where she kind of like hints at it and then gets someone else. Meredith does it a lot, though. She does.

Every second.

Literally the blowjobs for jazz tickets rumor. That was Meredith. Nobody talks about Lisa. And then Whitney took the fall.

No.

And then also before Jen got arrested she was the one being like I've heard things. And then the second they were like

You know, the FBI, you talk to the FBI. She's like, I never said anything. I said, I know things. And it's like, OK, well, in that conversation, I was talking about Jen. That clearly means something else.

And then what do you think of Seth going, proof, biatch, to Whitney?

Cringy.

Yes. And then also Meredith after being like, well, he's fed up with like his wife under fire, like from all these women. And I'm like.

Also, what would you think if someone else's husband called you biatch? Regardless if it's comedy or not, I'm like, why are you calling me biatch?

I think it became less of like a bit and funny when you have like Monica on the show and then you have Bronwyn that's real money. And it's like, so now it looks like you're doing too much.

Yeah.

She wants to present.

Bronwyn was like, buy a Porsche. There's a Porsche dealership. She's like, just get a car. Drive it.

Can I come? Here's what she was complaining about with Coach. She was sitting like sardines. She couldn't move her arms and hands. There was lots of turbulence. You can smell the bathroom. And then she said, looking out the window, you'll live if the plane crashes because you're in the back. Well, that's a plus, I guess. And then she couldn't connect her SkyMiles.

Neighbors couldn't move her arms and hands.

Well, and not to be a Meredith, but to answer your question and to agree with it, there are lawsuits out there of friends and business partners that were complying with Lisa and giving her stuff, but never got in return.

Probably no one. She was like, no.

Because they were sitting with their couples.

I think it's nice. Yeah. Did you notice that in the after show? And I think this is kind of interesting that Lisa and Brittany are paired up. So usually it's like the friends, but like Lisa and Brittany are like kind of the outliers that they were kind of like, that's me just saying, like, let's have you guys sit together. Oh, yeah. Versus, like, doing a single one.

Who's Heather paired up with Meredith?

Brahman's under a lot of flack right now because of how her husband was talking to her.

She's not religious, but she's spiritual.

Well, not to jump ahead, but her saying, I've been on TV for 15 years. To Shannon. Has she? No. That's the first time I've ever heard about her. Well, she's been on, what is it, four or five shows? It was like some number.

Yeah.

But when Shannon was like, you're just a friend, Alexis. And she's like, I've been on TV 15 years. And it's like, you're talking to a group of women that are still on the show. Shannon actually cooked. Ten years straight. Shannon did cook. She destroyed her. Yeah. Well, I didn't realize Alexis was a full-time housewife back in the day. Yeah. I had to look it up and I was like, oh, I guess she was.

But still, five through eight was her seasons.

Katie's daughter's situation is wild, though. Yeah.

I respect that.

But it's too late. It's still too late.

No. Didn't Katie start this feud with Heather? That's dirtier. But not the past. She brought up the paparazzis.

why are you going out of your way to look up the price of what i'm wearing i would probably be like oh there's jen's dress and then keep moving literally she looked up the price that's what i'm saying and that's also an easy google if you cared that much so that's where it's like you saw that you took the extra step to be like oh and i can't wait to go run to tamra it's different if you went to bloomingdale's and you're like oh my god that's the dress oh my god i wanted to it's two thousand dollars like that's different okay but isn't it also kind of mean girl to like keep hounding a paparazzi story she brought up someone i guess i i

I disagree. I mean, but I will say the Katie's daughter thing is kind of wild. Like knowing that Katie's daughter is posting TikToks of like to the woman beefing with my mom and she's lip syncing fake ass bitches who suck dick.

Well, and then she said that she's had conversations with her daughter, which also I was like, so now you're throwing me under the bus. She was kind of throwing her daughter under the bus. I was like, wait a minute. Wait a minute.

No, she's around my age. Yeah.

She definitely laughed about it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. When it was interesting, when, like, for a second, the drama kind of tried to become, like, between Tamara's daughter and Katie's daughter. And I was like, why? Like, I feel like we try not to keep the children in, but every second we're bringing the children in.

Is Alexis delusional?

To be like, no, no, no, no, no, no. You can't. You can't say that Shannon didn't win when she clearly won, you know?

Because that was also wild when Shannon was kept saying, well, I won the case. I won the case. And she's like, you didn't win. You didn't win. And it's like, first of all, what are you arguing? Because you brought this up. That's the thing.

And then it became, well, he was going to sue you anyways. It's like, did you just say a second ago that you were doing that so he wouldn't sue me? No, it's all crazy.

I think she's going to be, like, this is her only season right now, right? Like, there's no season going forward.

The only alternative is a redemption era with Shannon, but to Shannon's defense, I don't think she should have to film with Alexis.

I did see something of... It was someone estimating the salaries of the women for the season. And Tamara made more than Shannon did. And in my head, I was like, that doesn't add up. Why is Tamara making more...

Do we even know, or is this all alleged? It's estimated, so you can... Ever so... This is... I mean, they estimate... I mean, yeah, so it's alleged, technically.

Last season, yeah. So it's, like, roughly... Like, I remember... Then they said there's, like, a mandatory pay bump.

That too. Like it's therapy like the excuse like a bachelorette party.

People do weaponized therapy.

Never mind. She might. Therapy has already been a journey for her. For sure. Well, she just started her therapy journey.

She said, I promise you there's nothing coming Ryan's way.

It is interesting, Jen's deflection with all her jobs. To Emily, when she said, well, his parents pay for your life. And this episode, she's like, well, were you faithful with your husband? And it's like, okay, she's clearly throwing things out there because I think she is also in a position where she doesn't know how to talk about it. So she's deflecting.

I think Jen's also like I think she's in survival mode and I think she's in love. Yeah. So I think like she even said before we got to the reunion at the end of the finale, like this is going to be a bloodbath. Like I don't like I left someone to be with someone that I love that supports me for who I am when my last person didn't support me. And it's like, she's in a really difficult spot.

I don't know.

I think Bravo's on her... Well, not Bravo as a network, but I think the fan base is dominantly on Jen's side.

Well, that's why Alexa's like, she didn't win. And it's like, no, but she did. Yeah.

Trista Sutter also is the Bachelorette.

Chrissy Carlson Romano. Okay. Kyla Pratt. Oh. Kayla Nicole.

Proud family, one-on-one in comedy.

Marion Jones. Marion Jones.

You said Brody Jenner. Carey Hart. Bicyclist.

Landon Donovan. Soccer player.