Ernst Roets
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first heard Mar 2025
last heard May 2025
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And I think that's a solution that we need to really focus on is getting the Afrikaners to move closer together. So they're clustered in Pretoria was my understanding. The majority, yes. Pretoria and then the Western Cape and the south of the country. And then there's this Orania initiative in the Northern Cape. So tell us about that. What is Orania? So Orania is a cultural community.
It's an Afrikaner cultural community. It's fairly small. It's about 3000 people, but it's growing rapidly. It's growing by about 12 to 15% per year. And the idea is it's a culture, it's privately owned. It's a community where the Africana culture can survive and flourish. And it has been growing at quite a pace, even though it's from a small base.
But the idea is to say this is an area where we are the majority and we make our own decisions. We make our own laws. We govern ourselves. We make our own decisions in terms of what happens with our tax money, what happens with our streets, what type of monuments.
Yeah, it's bizarre the extent to which urania has been attacked, especially in the international media. So I spoke with a friend in Europe recently who said to me, I've only read negative things about urania, but that's why I like it. Because I know who's writing it.
You know what I mean? Yeah. So in South Africa, there are many cultural communities like Zulu communities. Let's say there are many black cultural communities. And when they are reported on by the media, they would say this Zulu cultural community, so-and-so, or this Xhosa cultural community is doing this. But when it's Orania, they say it's a whites-only enclave.
That's the term they use, even though it's a cultural community.
What is that? I think it's underpinned by oikophobia, this idea of just hating your own people and wanting your own people to.
I honestly think it's underpinned by an enormous sense of guilt within Western society or the Western world, not knowing how to make sense of the Second World War. And being influenced over decades and centuries by enlightened philosophy that talks about how you are the problem and how you should have a sense of guilt for who you are. And the idea that community and identity is a bad thing.
But it's not a bad thing if it's someone else.
I think some part of this oikophobia – I honestly think enlightenment philosophy has played a big role in this. I think the influence of ideas about power structures and all this stuff that's coming from America. It used to come from Europe.
I don't understand at all, actually. I think, so, Alasdair MacIntyre has a, has a, an explanation of how to make sense of what, how, how we, how we derailed in trying to make sense of the second world war. I mean, obviously, you know, Hitler was evil and all of that.
I mean, no one disagrees with that, obviously, but so, so the wrong lesson from the second world war is that nationalism is evil or a sense of pride in your identity is evil. And there are a lot of people who would really like us to believe this, that we need to abolish communal identities. Um, McIntyre's line only when they're white, Yes, yes. Yeah, of course.
And what went wrong with the Second World War was that Hitler was trying to pursue this good at the expense of all other goods. He was detaching this one thing from everything else. And you cannot do that without committing evil and inflicting evil. And so I think it's a bizarre situation where we are in currently.
Yeah, of course. Well, so in South Africa, and this is part of the bizarre part of it, is the ruling party in South Africa, they would write in their own policy documents. They say our ideology is a blend of race, nationalism, and socialism. That's literally what Nazi means. Now, I'm not saying they're Nazis, but in some sense, they're calling themselves Nazis.
If they say we promote a combination of race, nationalism and socialism.
I think one part of it is something that you've said before, which is affluence. People in the Western world have become very affluent, and unfortunately, as a result of that –
very self-centered and in many ways they've become disconnected from their communities disconnected from from their traditions there's no doubt about that but i mean i would you know just spend a lot of time in the in the gulf um in the persian gulf
I'd like to believe... And I hope that I'm right, that it's a minority within the Western world that really believes this stuff. I think. But they have significant power and influence. Boy, do they. They are the editors of newspapers. They are the prime ministers. They are professors at universities and so forth. And those are the people who's promoting this type of idea.
When I think most hardworking, ordinary people don't fall for this.
Do you feel that? Yeah. Yes. So I don't know how much of what is in his biography by Isaacson is true, but it does seem from his biography that he's had some bad experiences growing up in South Africa, which is unfortunate. And we were, we're still not sure quite how attached he still is to South Africa as a country, but looking at his ex and his comments, it's very clear that he's interested.
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