Esther Perel

It's the same image.

No, no. I'm so bad at it. But you gave me a good image.

No, no. I'm so bad at it. But you gave me a good image.

But you have to translate that for me.

But you have to translate that for me.

I can give you principle. Because this way you've described, I saw the ball. I saw the, I mean, I happen to know soccer, so it's easy for me. I saw the guy play and I saw the response. And I know how people, you know, you're running, but there is somebody who's telling you, you know. You know who to kick it to. And you are in a complete system of interdependence.

I can give you principle. Because this way you've described, I saw the ball. I saw the, I mean, I happen to know soccer, so it's easy for me. I saw the guy play and I saw the response. And I know how people, you know, you're running, but there is somebody who's telling you, you know. You know who to kick it to. And you are in a complete system of interdependence.

But while you are also in a state of autonomy. Yes. People think that when you say interdependence, you've abdicated yourself. You haven't. You're completely in charge. But what will determine the outcome of your thing is not just determined by you.

But while you are also in a state of autonomy. Yes. People think that when you say interdependence, you've abdicated yourself. You haven't. You're completely in charge. But what will determine the outcome of your thing is not just determined by you.

Yes. And I think that there is something happening at this moment that is eroding this. And, you know, I could say the future of love. I could say the future of connection. I could say the future of how, you know, can we still...

Yes. And I think that there is something happening at this moment that is eroding this. And, you know, I could say the future of love. I could say the future of connection. I could say the future of how, you know, can we still...

Less and less in romantic relationships, less sex, less connection, less dreams with others. It's that. There's a kind of a collective withdrawal. There's also a disillusionment because there has been such a kind of a, what Eva Illouz calls an emotional capitalism.

Less and less in romantic relationships, less sex, less connection, less dreams with others. It's that. There's a kind of a collective withdrawal. There's also a disillusionment because there has been such a kind of a, what Eva Illouz calls an emotional capitalism.

You know, it's like the commodification of people, the kind of market mentality applied to your intimate life that has been really challenging to people. Yeah. That's partly on the apps, not the only place, but it's really taken people down a notch. They just can't take it anymore.

You know, it's like the commodification of people, the kind of market mentality applied to your intimate life that has been really challenging to people. Yeah. That's partly on the apps, not the only place, but it's really taken people down a notch. They just can't take it anymore.

And so I think every study looks that comes back talking about from the sex recession to the intimacy recession, to the fact that young people are less and less in relationships, in romantic relationships. But they also have less friendships.

And so I think every study looks that comes back talking about from the sex recession to the intimacy recession, to the fact that young people are less and less in relationships, in romantic relationships. But they also have less friendships.

There's a loss of social capital that people have no one to turn to in a time of crisis or to confide to, that friends on social is not the same as friendship in life.

There's a loss of social capital that people have no one to turn to in a time of crisis or to confide to, that friends on social is not the same as friendship in life.

Yeah.