Esther Perel

Yeah.

I feel another one that really stood out to me today was when I asked you about Gen Z and how most of them don't have access to each other, are not talking to each other, are not approaching people.

You explaining and you sharing that like that's actually come from just this social change of connection.

It's not even dating.

Like we think it's a love issue and a dating issue.

But really what you're bringing it back to is saying, well, that's just a social issue.

We're just bad at connecting with people in general.

And we started talking about Zoom and FaceTime and the lack of eye contact.

And these sound like obvious things, but it's become so normalized to look at someone through a screen.

that it's so easy to forget that this is what we did.

And this is what we did.

Yeah, yeah.

Touch.

Yeah, so it's interesting how quickly the new norm becomes normalized and how we forget that looking at someone in the eyes is different to looking at someone through a screen.

And how for many people who grew up looking at people through a screen, they'll never even know what this was in advance.

And so I think there's lots to, and for me, the big revelation that came out of that conversation was just how people are so scared of their life being broadcast to other people and your point of constantly being under surveillance.

How can you be vulnerable if you're constantly under surveillance?

How can you be authentic if you're constantly under surveillance?

The point of love was to be enjoying someone's company in the privacy of your home or in the privacy and the comfort of being a confidant of someone.

That's what love is.