Ethan

I still hope people...

Get something out of the people I've profiled.

And I know you mentioned some of the names off top, but I hope people enjoy stories from guys like Tony McKeagney, Blake Bolden, I know it was mentioned, but Kelsey Kozler is someone else I think people will be really interested in learning about.

Or Dante Abercrombie, who's in charge of a hockey program at an HBCU.

I hope people enjoy those stories too.

Yeah.

Not giving the book away, but you talked to all these people.

What was a particular story that you believe would be eye opening?

I hope people who aren't familiar with Herb Carnegie take something away from that chapter.

For those who are not familiar, people regard Herb Carnegie as arguably the best writer.

black hockey player to never make it to the NHL.

And yeah, there were opportunities, so to speak.

But I think once you read the book and you understand further context, you'll know why ultimately his dream didn't happen.

But I think the story that resonates with me the most, there's a story where

He was, I want to say he was really young, he was in his teenage years, and he was playing for a local team that happened to be practicing one day at the Toronto Gardens.

And the Maple Leafs were playing there at the time, and Conn Smythe, who at the time ruled everything with the Toronto Maple Leafs, he's watching from a distance, he's watching Herb and his teammates practice.

And the story goes that Conspife got an assistant coach to talk to Herb and tell him that if the Leafs could find a way to turn Herb Carnegie white, they'd find a way to put him on their team tomorrow.

Like, that's a really messed up story to hear.

And while doing research for the story, I came across an interview that Elliott Friedman from Sportsnet did with Herb Carnegie where he's talking to him about, obviously, his life in the game of hockey, his career over the last how many decades.

And when they discuss that moment where Herb is being told by that coach about the story I just told you,