Ethan

he gets emotional.

He almost kind of lashes back.

And he full-on breaks down in this interview.

So I really wanted to talk to Elliot about what had happened.

And he was just so shocked about being there for that moment and obviously feeling emotional.

And I hope that, you know, people read that story and get an understanding of how good Herb Carnegie was.

I mean, the name of the book is Black Aces.

And I thought if...

If I were to do that book and not have Herb Carnegie, who was considered a black ace when he played on an all-black line while playing semi-pro hockey up in Quebec, like, what are we doing here, right?

So I felt it was really important to highlight his story, and I'm especially happy not only that his story is in there, but the way that chapter ends, where you're highlighting all of these other different firsts from black hockey players, it meant a lot to write that chapter.

Man, that is a backhanded compliment, and that backhand literally slapped him in the face.

That's terrible.

I would say that there's definitely some sort of evolution.

The biggest thing I would think with some of the younger, newer generation players, like even someone like PK Subban, for example, who I consider that as my era when I was still a fan of a team.

That was a player I was like, yeah, I want to be like that guy.

P.K.

Subban, when he enters the league, there are players who look like him that he could look at and be like, yeah, I'd love to be like, for an example, Kevin Weeks.

He was at his camp once upon a time, right?

Or other guys who came up from Toronto or Scarborough or any of those neighboring areas, he could always look at for examples.

When you think of guys like Jerome McGinley or Grant Fuhrer, there were fewer examples of black hockey players.