Ethan

That's someone who could easily be in line for a job if an opportunity opens up, whether through expansion down the road or some other opportunity opens up.

I mean, we know how few and far between these coaching jobs are and how long the lifespan is for certain people, but

I think we're definitely going to see some sort of uptick, whether it's a slow burn or maybe it's at a different pace.

And that has everything to do with the people who are in place, but also the path that it takes for people to get there.

Think of guys like Dante Abercrombie, as I mentioned before, working at Tennessee State.

who got to work with a guy like Graham Townsend, who worked as an assistant coach for the Leafs as a skating coach.

Like, the fact that a path is laid out for certain people, expect more people to take that path.

And finally, is there a moment in time in the National Hockey League where you can point to that you can really say that hockey is really, quote-unquote,

for everyone?

Or has that feeling not happened yet?

That's a good question.

I think there are moments, small moments, where people of color can look at the game and maybe feel a little relieved and say, hey, you know what?

Maybe that is a good moment.

But I think there's still so much to go.

There's still so many ways to go.

I think of a guy like Jabril Toure, who during a preseason game with the Ottawa Senators in the rookie tournament, he gets into a fight with a couple guys on the Leafs.

His helmet comes off and a do-rag is on his head.

That's not something we're used to seeing.

And to see people be pleasantly surprised, I remember talking about it with George LaRock and Devante Smith-Pelly about it.

They were pleasantly surprised.