Ethan

I was going to mention the executive level with Brett Peterson being the assistant GM with the Panthers and the GM of USA Hockey with Mike Greer being the GM at San Jose.

With Kim Davis being an executive vice president in the league office.

And there's this one, there's the Boyd family.

Dr. Joel Boyd is the wild team physician.

His entire family's in this sport.

His daughter, Kendall, by the way, Seattle, probably the most progressive team that we have in this league.

Yeah.

Kendall is the senior vice president of finance with the Kraken.

Kyle Boyd is Seattle's senior director of fan development.

And Casey Boyd also coaches youth hockey in Seattle.

So my original question was going to be, do you believe there's going to be an uptick of people in color in

in the executive branches, in the NHL and its member clubs.

I think the fact that we have presences already, I wouldn't be surprised, right?

Whether with executives or even behind the bench, we've seen guys, we've seen an influx in talented Black people make their way in those realms.

I definitely think we're going to see an uptick.

How big of an uptick?

That's a different question.

Whether slow, though, or fast, or whatever pace we go at here, I think the fact that there is going to be something

look at in terms of progress is still significant.

How long until we talk about Joel Ward as a viable head coaching candidate, an assistant right now at the Vegas Golden Knights?