Evan Fanning

You can see their instincts.

I use that almost as the... That's a huge positive, isn't it?

It was never planned as such, but I think when I landed into the Guardian in 2008 for the Olympics, that's when I started working there.

And the Guardian was obviously quite, in terms of the shift to digital and the shift from print to digital, it was quite advanced and was quite ahead of the curve on that.

But then shortly after that, or later that year, we did the full integration where there was

And it was very inside baseball stuff.

I'm not sure who did it, but where everything became one sports desk, for example, and there's no differentiation between print and everything being online first.

And then I just evolved.

And I guess like, you know, over that period, then Twitter became such a from a niche thing to just this huge engine of news for every, you know, became the first port of call probably for every newsroom or news desk out there.

Yeah.

And then just, I suppose we just shifted with that.

Yeah.

We went into, I suppose with Joe then at a certain point we abolished, right.

We're not going to have a website anymore.

We're just going to deliver everything into social feeds, into Instagram, TikTok, I think it was barely even around then, Twitter, YouTube, and develop everything for those platforms natively and deliver all that and move away from the website.

It's implementing, it's never going to get done.

Probably all of it.

Probably all of it, but like...

Yeah, I don't know.

It's definitely Twitter.