Evan Hafer

Very, very similar, like in the context of, I would imagine the psychological makeup.

And he started a gym called Jim Jones back in the day.

And like,

It was where a bunch of people you had, it was invite only.

So you could only get invited.

And it was like a lot of special operations guys, CIA guys, and professional climbers, like everybody that was trying to push the envelope physically would go out.

And trained with Mark.

And I've been friends with him for years.

But anything Mark does, he moves from like, I'm going to be the best climber, like alpeneering.

I'm going to be the subject matter expert.

He was a professional climber.

He shot ipsych for a while.

So he's a professional, you know pistol shooter for a while He's a professional climber and now he's a photographer writer But everything he does he does it to a level of perfection that it probably drives everybody else in his life Bananas like he's fascinating.

But there's, if you think about everybody around us in their profession or their thing, right?

You're at the apex of your professional, your profession and your level of commitment.

I'm not like boosting you up.

I'm just saying like your level of commitment is unparalleled to a huge percentage of other people.

So you have a portion of whatever that is.

And there are all these other people that have that thing where their pursuit of passion around that specific profession or product, whatever it might be, they're so committed to it that it takes over.

It's all consuming.